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revovlerjesus1
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Hello!
I notice since u made the changes to tenes, they became more or less useless. Lets say you wear 7 of em, and they can only proc 1 by 1. With and ICD of 20 sec mean that there is a complete waist to even use more then 3 of em. I know that the burst damage was a bit too much. But now they are not viable to slot at all. Pls lower the ICD on the tenes and dont make them a garbage enchant one more time. Maybe 8 sec would be a good icd.
I notice since u made the changes to tenes, they became more or less useless. Lets say you wear 7 of em, and they can only proc 1 by 1. With and ICD of 20 sec mean that there is a complete waist to even use more then 3 of em. I know that the burst damage was a bit too much. But now they are not viable to slot at all. Pls lower the ICD on the tenes and dont make them a garbage enchant one more time. Maybe 8 sec would be a good icd.
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This is how it suppose to work with intended change.
The overall damage was not ment to be less = all procs spread over a 20 sec period nm if you had 1 or 7.
They f*cked up as usal and made it so that only 1 could proc every 20 sec instead meaning if you have 7 you do 1/7 of the damage you should do.
Spreading the damage over time was to prevent heavy burst damage and if you are hit or hit several players/mobs during a 20 sec period the damage would spread out among them those preventing all damage landing at once on 1 player.
Even if you would fight 1-1 life steal procs healing and ccs escape would prevent some of that damage also.
Now well not a pip from the devs after it was discovered that they failed with intended change .......
20 ICD divided by 7 enchants = 2.2s, 2.2s would be the gap of seconds between each tenebrous, meaning that in 20 seconds all your 7 enchants would procc.
but what is for the best is to get
60 icd divided by 7 enchants = 8.5 seconds would be the gap of seconds between each tenebrous, meaning that in 60 seconds all your 7 encahnts would procc
as a transcended tenebrous would give you 5% x 7 of them = 35% out of ur max HP is transformed in damage, and half of it it's mitigated(sometimes)
so if you had 100k hp, you would deald 35% out of the max hp as damage = 35.000 / 2 = 17.500 DAMAGE every 20 seconds or every 60 seconds. depending on how much OVERPOWERED you want this enchant to be.
i am a bit confused
2500 damage all 8,5 seconds (if u use 7 rank 12 tene) is tbh redicules damage and not OVERPOWERED
tbh i can spam soul scourge in PVE all 3 seconds, everyone deals on HE(dragons) 14-17k damage, so slotting tenebrough 7 times will be 7x2500 =17.500 in 60 sec, or 17.500 all 20sec = 52.500 damage in 60 sec (if it worked reight, ok?)
having 4.5k power and really bad stats since all boons defensiv in case of tank-PVP setup with warlock and would take 7x brilliant rank 12 for increasing power instead of tenebrough its 7x400? = +2800 power right?
so if u only take soulscourge, scipping all dots atwills and other encounters that profit from powerincrease and assume i spam only all 5 sec one SS its 12 times in 60 seconds ( i cast it much more in 60 sec) wich everyone deals 24-27k damage its on top 12x10k= 100-120k more damage, more than the double as with tenebrough (if worked right!)
lets take on top all encounter and all at wills and killingflame and Warlocks Bargain and assume this together deal 50% of my damage (i dont use ACT but will download it)
so scipping tenebrough u will deal 4 times more additional damage than with tenebrough if worked right and
if it stays like now you deal 17.500 instead of +/- 220000 additional damage -->13 times more additional damage lolololo even having 200k HP its 6 times more
@effectenstein correct me if i am wrong and was your comment ironically ment?
the enchantment is HAMSTER for PVP and for PVE i guess, it was effective in PVP when proccing together at once for burst damage, since some classess have none, now its idiotic and senseless to slot in every scenario imo
Do we realy have to go here again effe? short memory or what.
Slotting Tene compared to Radiant azure or dark will be a wastly inferior shoise when procs are spread out, in fact 13x damage from radiant will probably be a close call for most classes........
Best
wrong its 7x700 = 4900 power = 12.5 %more damage in module 6.
either i get 7 procc in 20 sec , or either i get 7 procc in 60 seconds.
but you cannot compare it with power, as we have 4-5 encahnts that debuffs enemy power and not to mention situation in witch tenebrous can procc from only 1 dot or glyphs meaning that there are different situation in makin tenebrous work better, as he the dev said, situation as a tank class can benefit over it.
if you have 7 procc in 20 seconds, just imagine how tenebrous will work ona GF or paladin, not to mention their huge HP.
around 25k damage every 20 seconds? even if it isn't a burst damage, but either way. your choice.
25k damage every 20 sec is absolutly nothing, your stuck in module 5 thinking. One encounter does 4 times that damage hell some at wills will do that damage.
You have no control over the damge from 7 ench if you fight in pvp the damage will be spread out on several opponents making it even worse and you cant focus your damage on one enemy.
No matter how you count on the damage from Tena as long as they spread it out during a 20 sec period avoiding all damage to land at once (and therefore also always on same enemy) it will be inferior to both crit arpen and power or any combination of those.
Lets just hope that they can get it to work as it was intended before launch(not holding my breath).
i read regularly their posts in the preview forum;
About Disintegrate..it is 81k damage every 5,7 secs.In the ratio damage/hp in mod6 it is more lethal than lashing blade/hp in mod5.
Yet the dear CWs consider it balanced.One of them actually had a very funny excuse: "that damage was done to level 60 players .With level 70 players ,damage will be balanced" .offcourse that evil Cw did not know (or did not wanted to know) that LV60 toons are in terms of defence BETTER in every defensive stat,except HP.
So tanks could use an enchantement -tene- in mod6.Cws get frustrated: "hey a Gf will do 35k damage every 20 secs!!Not fair!!"
tene nerfed.
Gf with pre nerf tene: 120-130k hp ,35k damage every 20 sec. =UNBALANCED ACCORDING TO CWs
Cw with disintegrate:100k hp 80k damage every 6 secs from 90s feet away =PERFECTLY BALANCED ACCORDING TO CWs.
Tommorow or during the week i want to make a thread about disnitegrate but i don't own a cw,i don't know the numbers exactly.
If Disintegrate do not change all toons-except Trs-are doomed.
Why none complains?While tene is nerfed to oblivion disntegrate was left alone.
No encounter should do over 30% damage of the max hp toons.period.
Edit:i forgot to say..CWs should NO LONGER IGNORE 66% of TENACITY CC.
even with 7 procs in 20 seconds ist 7x5% so take 200k HP (not sure if that is possibel in mod 6) you deal 70k damage all 20 seconds, take half so 35k all 20 seconds for wasting 7 slots!! you could slot radiants and buff your overall damage that much that it will be redicules compared
so effectenstein (@r.deffecxxx?), if u want to sell your tenebrough, scaring the price is abysmal, just say it but don´t write the same nonsense again and again
Secondly, how many of you actually tried slotting multiple tenes on PTR in lv 70 PvP at max rank before they got broken?
Thirdly, how many of you have forgotten that tenes are affected by all forms of mitigation as well as current HP, and can even be dodged, resulting in an absolutely overwhelming ZERO damage before going on cooldown, or at the very least damage which is incredibly less than what these worrisome "mathematicians" are trying to scare you with by merely giving you the maximum potential of the enchant rather than how it will actually perform in combat? The odds of proccing all slotted tenes under the proper implementation of this nerf while maintaining full HP while ignoring ALL defensive capability including mitigation, deflection, and dodges, is ridiculously low.
Lets drop any unjustified overpowered claims until proof is provided by actual testing evidence of the proper implementation rather than trying to limit enchantment diversity simply because some do not approve of the mechanics of it or do not wish to see more diversity.
Have you even read the previous thread.. or this one.... ? or tested Tenebrous on PTR? or understand why tenebrous 'fix' was not implemented proper? yes , we know there was another thread.. we know the devs addressed it.. but they 'fixed' it wrong....
"They proc one by one with 20 second cooldown, so you could laid 7 hits, one after another, and with each hit 1 tene procs and goes on cooldown, with 7 most likely everytime a tank swings your tene will proc" First off.... I don't know of any class that has 20 seconds between 3 or 4 encounters that they have, (tanks 3 CWs 4) Not to mention a 20 second wait between at wills... second... the 'fix' made it so with the 20 second cool down.. one tene procs... so.. it makes it so that one tene will continue to proc every 20 seconds... EVEN if you have 7 slotted.. or 1 slotted... it will still only proc 1 every 20 seconds.. HENCE why the fix is broken.... SOOO because the DEVs quote states it would still be viable for tanks to use tenes... doesn't make it so.... and 7 is no different from using 1... so... broken.... Dude
Dumbasss strikes again
My HP = 111.268.
Greater Tenebrous deal 3% of HP = 3338
Attacking Target Dummy for a few minutes and the result is:
The damage of Tenebrous represent 3% of my complete damage (very little).
In each 20s the Tenebrous effect active and deal 3338 damage (3% of my HP), but i have 4 Tenebrous. Where is the damage of the others?
I test using only 1 Greater Tenebrous and the result is the same.
In other words, using 7 Tenebrous or 1 Tenebrous is the same on Preview.
sounds like a good change. No need to drop 2.5 mill on 7 of them anymore. Unless you bought alot of them cheap in mod 5 and were hoping to sell for a high profit in mod 6. TBH they were one of the most annoying broken things back in the day and I don't want to relive that anytime soon.