there is hope my friends for this class to come back to life
This was since friday i think.
In any case was an absolutely needed move.But not to improve the Gf but just to keep him something relevant.
I explain:
With the buffs to other classes,the new stat curve ,and the new gear available to all classes .Gf after the 50% "buff" will still be probably in the same position as in Mod2.Hopeless.
The new enchants will negate our defence practically to 0.
The new gear will allow a pvp -current 20k cw- to reach 110k hp.With shield on tab and the new Disintegrate encounter:81k damage every 5,7 secs.
And what we had?i ll speak for my 19-20k gs toon (depending on gear setup).
I had pre buff 7k Anvil ,6k GW charge,7k Flourish on preview.11k crescendo.My hp were 85k but with new gear i will reach about 120-130k hp.Don't listen the myth of 150-200k hp GFs .It is pure speculation on a supposedly new gear.The gear specs came out and all classes get the same HPs bonus.Just from con we will have 15-20% more Hp than CWs.That's it friend.
Back to topic:That means that in order to finish a CW i would had to do 3x my whole rotation plus my daily .While he can kill me in 11 secs with 2 disintegrate encounters.
I 6 encounters and 2 dailies all unmissed and in close range,he 2 encounters autolock from 90s range.
With the "buff" i now have to use 2x my whole rotation plus my daily...While still he kills me with 2)two) encounters from 90s range.Not to mention the 45k spell storms procs if -by some miracle-you get close.
I do not mention his broken unmitigated shiled or his immunity frame dodges that offer more time immune than our Steel defenc feat.
Mod2 all over again...
Edit:I forgot:regen is gone .so we die to dots like flies.And CWs continue to ignore 66% of our control resist.
This was since friday i think.
In any case was an absolutely needed move.But not to improve the Gf but just to keep him something relevant.
I explain:
With the buffs to other classes,the new stat curve ,and the new gear available to all classes .Gf after the 50% "buff" will still be probably in the same position as in Mod2.Hopeless.
The new enchants will negate our defence practically to 0.
The new gear will allow a pvp -current 20k cw- to reach 110k hp.With shield on tab and the new Disintegrate encounter:81k damage every 5,7 secs.
And what we had?i ll speak for my 19-20k gs toon (depending on gear setup).
I had pre buff 7k Anvil ,6k GW charge,7k Flourish on preview.11k crescendo.My hp were 85k but with new gear i will reach about 120-130k hp.Don't listen the myth of 150-200k hp GFs .It is pure speculation on a supposedly new gear.The gear specs came out and all classes get the same HPs bonus.Just from con we will have 15-20% more Hp than CWs.That's it friend.
Back to topic:That means that in order to finish a CW i would had to do 3x my whole rotation plus my daily .While he can kill me in 11 secs with 2 disintegrate encounters.
I 6 encounters and 2 dailies all unmissed and in close range,he 2 encounters from 90s range.
With the "buff" i now have to use 2x my whole rotation plus my daily...While still he kills me with 2)two) encounters from 90s range.Not to mention the 45k spell storms procs if -by some miracle-you get close.
Mod2 all over again...
Edit:I forgot:regen is gone .so we die to dots like flies.And CWs continue to ignore 66% of our control resist.
and wow i didnt knwo it was going to be so bad. looks like my gf is gonna hit the dust shelf if it isnt deleted.
there is hope my friends for this class to come back to life
Hi mate!
My main is or was a GF for long time and all i learned here with him is how to act pessimistic.
We have a good old hungarian phrase, which says, i trust it, when i can see it. In this spirit bye!
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
and wow i didnt knwo it was going to be so bad. looks like my gf is gonna hit the dust shelf if it isnt deleted.
Don't delete him, good AD slave, like mine...
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
unfortunately it is....Just play your Tr or your Cw.Dc is still viable too,although he will be toast by Cws in mod6.No hope.
tanks including GFs/Ops/GWfs are completely dead in Mod6.
it has risen the Age of the Casters.Caster and Dps.Sad ,but true.
How sadly true it is, if i see at my friends, who are here since game beginning and still play, all have a CW and/or a TR as a main or as top toons, the others are just taken out sometimes to get some fresh air or used as AD slaves.
There are some times for minor hope, like the DCs have now, but in long term these turn out to be very short lived.
Game is missing the biggest attraction of DnD, namely versatility.
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
great, now GF gets both impenetratable defense and power... @_@
Get behind them and they die well enough. If they removed that hidden target keybind that'd be great also because then in a 1v1 you can get behind them more reliably. otherwise simply 2v1 in PVP dom and they cant do anything.
ryoshinetteMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 488Arc User
edited March 2015
A year or two being completelly ignored by devs. Not enough?
50% dmg+ ? Wow. We are DEAD/controlled/DEAD again.
God ****, maybe finally some dev's will tell us, how we should play this useless class?
Or maybe some stream, where dev with rank 12 win agains TR rank 9? Nah, noone have even Gf' created on his account.
Each class has always had more power than the GF yet me & my GF are just fine. If you have your set up right you will do alot of damage, on preview i say a gf 34k bull charge a paladin 40k griffin and 92k anvil, its all about the setup.
Each class has always had more power than the GF yet me & my GF are just fine. If you have your set up right you will do alot of damage, on preview i say a gf 34k bull charge a paladin 40k griffin and 92k anvil, its all about the setup.
A year or two being completelly ignored by devs. Not enough?
50% dmg+ ? Wow. We are DEAD/controlled/DEAD again.
God ****, maybe finally some dev's will tell us, how we should play this useless class?
Or maybe some stream, where dev with rank 12 win agains TR rank 9? Nah, noone have even Gf' created on his account.
forget about it. Dead class.
Well they had to do something, The pali kicks tail on test. I love my GF just damage sucks, But being a pure tank love it. The pali adds something I like, It balances out pretty well, Shoot over to test and check it out. I will buy this class. I think a well done addition to the tank class, especially when a cleric is present as well. If at a certain point it can draw hate like the GF. Will be great in the well of the dragons. because you have to jam together. And the pali gives a nice radius buff(s)
http://youtu.be/sWQf1UX66y4 yes paladins are op but in a 1v1 an experienced GF will always win, GF's were never really given any love from the devs "it just takes trial and error to understand the mechanics of a GF" said to me by one of the best GF's i know Azrael.
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ryoshinetteMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 488Arc User
edited March 2015
@shini impressive. Now I would like to see, how you play against decent TR/CW. I bet, you'll be dead in 20 seconds with your uber dps build.
But obviously I can be wrong
ps a conqueror gwf well specced can easily one rotate tr (without itc), hr , cw with weakened shield.
the increase in hp should help this build and the 50% more weapon damage ofc will help too.
i feel bad for other gf specs but calling a conqueror gf a dead class is an exaggeration.
between the two fighters i would anyday have a gf rather than a gwf in mod 6.
I only saw a 20% increase to all our attacks and that was only on the tool tips have only seen same damage in action as we have had before. So if you can show me this 50 % increase ty. Because I do not see it.
Honestly 50% would do it. I suggested as mutch a while ago but put it in WD increasing the base damage to attain the same result. Would 50% make my GF DPS like my trapper? Nope. But it would result in signifigant DPS combined with better debuffs and better aggro management. Never once did I consider the GF to be a top DPS class (OK once for a second before they nerfed SB set). But enough DPS to compliment their other abilities and make them usefull in a party.
I really think GF should be given back true front line surge with the multi-prones. Being able to cc your opponents at close range and whittle their HP down to a point that anvil can do it's job, to me, has always been the key to holding/capturing nodes for the GF. So give us back true FLS, give us back the old Reckless Capstone of shield meter left x power= power, + the 50% damage boost and I am happy.
they are still extremly weak btw. just a tad bit stronger. whats 50 percent of nothing? nothing. and gf's almost had nothing.
I don't know. While spending some time on the test server with my level 60 GF and level 70 TR I noticed that my GF had higher DPS than the TR when fighting bears in Icewind Dale. This may be due to the GF scaled to level 60, but nevertheless it was interesting to see.
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This was since friday i think.
In any case was an absolutely needed move.But not to improve the Gf but just to keep him something relevant.
I explain:
With the buffs to other classes,the new stat curve ,and the new gear available to all classes .Gf after the 50% "buff" will still be probably in the same position as in Mod2.Hopeless.
The new enchants will negate our defence practically to 0.
The new gear will allow a pvp -current 20k cw- to reach 110k hp.With shield on tab and the new Disintegrate encounter:81k damage every 5,7 secs.
And what we had?i ll speak for my 19-20k gs toon (depending on gear setup).
I had pre buff 7k Anvil ,6k GW charge,7k Flourish on preview.11k crescendo.My hp were 85k but with new gear i will reach about 120-130k hp.Don't listen the myth of 150-200k hp GFs .It is pure speculation on a supposedly new gear.The gear specs came out and all classes get the same HPs bonus.Just from con we will have 15-20% more Hp than CWs.That's it friend.
Back to topic:That means that in order to finish a CW i would had to do 3x my whole rotation plus my daily .While he can kill me in 11 secs with 2 disintegrate encounters.
I 6 encounters and 2 dailies all unmissed and in close range,he 2 encounters autolock from 90s range.
With the "buff" i now have to use 2x my whole rotation plus my daily...While still he kills me with 2)two) encounters from 90s range.Not to mention the 45k spell storms procs if -by some miracle-you get close.
I do not mention his broken unmitigated shiled or his immunity frame dodges that offer more time immune than our Steel defenc feat.
Mod2 all over again...
Edit:I forgot:regen is gone .so we die to dots like flies.And CWs continue to ignore 66% of our control resist.
they are still extremly weak btw. just a tad bit stronger. whats 50 percent of nothing? nothing. and gf's almost had nothing.
and wow i didnt knwo it was going to be so bad. looks like my gf is gonna hit the dust shelf if it isnt deleted.
unfortunately it is....Just play your Tr or your Cw.Dc is still viable too,although he will be toast by Cws in mod6.No hope.
tanks including GFs/Ops/GWfs are completely dead in Mod6.
it has risen the Age of the Casters.Caster and Dps.Sad ,but true.
Hi mate!
My main is or was a GF for long time and all i learned here with him is how to act pessimistic.
We have a good old hungarian phrase, which says, i trust it, when i can see it. In this spirit bye!
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Don't delete him, good AD slave, like mine...
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
How sadly true it is, if i see at my friends, who are here since game beginning and still play, all have a CW and/or a TR as a main or as top toons, the others are just taken out sometimes to get some fresh air or used as AD slaves.
There are some times for minor hope, like the DCs have now, but in long term these turn out to be very short lived.
Game is missing the biggest attraction of DnD, namely versatility.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Get behind them and they die well enough. If they removed that hidden target keybind that'd be great also because then in a 1v1 you can get behind them more reliably. otherwise simply 2v1 in PVP dom and they cant do anything.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
50% dmg+ ? Wow. We are DEAD/controlled/DEAD again.
God ****, maybe finally some dev's will tell us, how we should play this useless class?
Or maybe some stream, where dev with rank 12 win agains TR rank 9? Nah, noone have even Gf' created on his account.
forget about it. Dead class.
.Suicide Squad.
^^
Care to enlighten us about your setup please?
Well they had to do something, The pali kicks tail on test. I love my GF just damage sucks, But being a pure tank love it. The pali adds something I like, It balances out pretty well, Shoot over to test and check it out. I will buy this class. I think a well done addition to the tank class, especially when a cleric is present as well. If at a certain point it can draw hate like the GF. Will be great in the well of the dragons. because you have to jam together. And the pali gives a nice radius buff(s)
But obviously I can be wrong
.Suicide Squad.
.Suicide Squad.
ps a conqueror gwf well specced can easily one rotate tr (without itc), hr , cw with weakened shield.
the increase in hp should help this build and the 50% more weapon damage ofc will help too.
i feel bad for other gf specs but calling a conqueror gf a dead class is an exaggeration.
between the two fighters i would anyday have a gf rather than a gwf in mod 6.
God forbid a TR, HR, or pretty much any class really, has to put on some effort to kill the "tankiest" class in the game.
I don't know. While spending some time on the test server with my level 60 GF and level 70 TR I noticed that my GF had higher DPS than the TR when fighting bears in Icewind Dale. This may be due to the GF scaled to level 60, but nevertheless it was interesting to see.