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SW pointless annoying slow class
doriangreigh
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Why is the SW powers SO SLOW in activating and doing anything, the only powers worth using at ALL and you pretty much don't ever see any other powers are dread theft fiery burst and killing flame. There is a dot intensive version of the warlock that is pretty nasty especially with tyrannical threat but it is so slow to use it takes like 30 full seconds to set up your curses your dots and then activate your powers. Harrow storm is great but the the time the SW points at something and actually activates a power everything is dead, blade of vanquished is great but everytime you get hit it stops working as does tyranncial threat if you get hit while you squat like you are taking a constipated dump. The number of slow powers is amazing even from at wills.
The only reason to play SW is to get a cleric artifact and pop your daily at every major encounter and hopefully its not wasted because something hit you.
I am trying to enjoy this class but how powers activates is just so slow and I absolutley detest the fact that you are given an array of powers and really truly there are only 3 viable useful options ... why bother giving anything but a set of powers per class if any other ability you use is so pointless.
I hate dreadtheft because of how it works, not only beacuse if you get hit it also stops working but the fact that if your target dies its near impossible to get onto another one ... why can't it just follow the mouse cursor? Just shoot a straight beam infront of you?
The at will hellish rebuke so excruciatingly slow, it has potential to be a decent power espeically if you can ever fire off your other dotish abilities but by the time I fire it off at three targets after taking time to mark 3 targets they are either already dead from other players doing massive damage or you are swarmed by aggroing the mobs and you can't even get to your encounters.
Dreadthreft is supposed to be something of a controlish power so it should at least hit the targets with slow so you have something to potentially keep yourself from getting swarmed by mobs.
Overall the class I have seen played well but there doesn't seem to be any way to play this calss with any diversity ... just use the same setup as everyone else or walk around with tones of lifesteal and respect to tempatation.
The only reason to play SW is to get a cleric artifact and pop your daily at every major encounter and hopefully its not wasted because something hit you.
I am trying to enjoy this class but how powers activates is just so slow and I absolutley detest the fact that you are given an array of powers and really truly there are only 3 viable useful options ... why bother giving anything but a set of powers per class if any other ability you use is so pointless.
I hate dreadtheft because of how it works, not only beacuse if you get hit it also stops working but the fact that if your target dies its near impossible to get onto another one ... why can't it just follow the mouse cursor? Just shoot a straight beam infront of you?
The at will hellish rebuke so excruciatingly slow, it has potential to be a decent power espeically if you can ever fire off your other dotish abilities but by the time I fire it off at three targets after taking time to mark 3 targets they are either already dead from other players doing massive damage or you are swarmed by aggroing the mobs and you can't even get to your encounters.
Dreadthreft is supposed to be something of a controlish power so it should at least hit the targets with slow so you have something to potentially keep yourself from getting swarmed by mobs.
Overall the class I have seen played well but there doesn't seem to be any way to play this calss with any diversity ... just use the same setup as everyone else or walk around with tones of lifesteal and respect to tempatation.
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I agree with you 100% not every class is for everyone, TR makes no sense to me at all, but i LOVE my sw's!(yes, plural) I have to disagree with dreadtheft being the best power for a lock though, any little glitch it ends, how many times have u hit it and boom, KB, DT is over. So how can this be one of the best powers? Because of TT right? yeah.... I take full advantage of TT without feeling like i have to get that constant DT flow to make it worth while. For a templock, yeah... DT is a good idea, its their bread and butter for healing. But if you're out for damage, ditch DT.
See above statement, try some new encounters, don't just take someones word for it. There are several ways to go with the lock builds, and all skills have their time and place.
But overall, if u don't like the class, don't play it, please don't complain about it and ruin it for those of us who know how to use them. Just as Charononus said, they will change it, the nerf it to the point of uselessness due to complaints of OP.
No DT is the best for damage and I'll explain why. It's a long channeled bolt of necrotic damage, that means it can proc lots of creeping death. Unfortunately it consumes a curse when it hits, so you have to fire off warlock's bargain first. That means you now procced 5 stacks of it's defense buff on yourself, debuffed the enemy, made dt hit for 2x the normal damage because of creeping death, each tick of dt also throws on hellfire building up stacks of that with the AD set. There is no encounter rotation that will give you more damage than the combination of WB and DT.
I'd love to see it, as I think you would be 50% below me from my testing no matter what you did at equal gear levels.
WB misses 50% or more in PVP--> always play against two TR´s reflecting almost everything, remember?
PVP going WB ist like selfdestruction, if u hit the target WB doesn´t heal u for the amount you sacrificed life, DT is more interruppted than anything else, or player just dodges out of sight
there are far better things to use
I would love to see SWs being able to deal about as much defense / DR / healing debuffs so that whenever a DC buffs someone through powers like AS, then the SW can debuff-cast a spell to counteract the effects to make it null&void, and vice versa.
I would also deem it interesting if SWs were given more special utilities to also act as a counter to TRs. Already, some of SW skills are almost naturally advantageous against TRs in that SWs have quite the arsenal of persistent DoTs which is a serious threat to maintaining stealth, as well as automatically firing attacks that track stealth. DT is also a very interesting power against TRs.
To this, if I were given creative control, I'd probably consider adding a debuff that acts against deflection chances, as well as perhaps a "sapper" type of stamina siphon that would either noticeably reduce the rate of stamina regeneration or perhaps even block it for a short time. The moment this happens any class -- most noticeably the TR -- that relies on dodges are immediately threatened.
This way, the SWs are still weak as they are, fragile, but in its hands its also got very powerful and meaningful debuffs that would bring a whole new depth to the PvP game. Imagine the SW, a class once thought to be most helpless and weak, in turn holds the key to defeating the strongest class in the game -- in which case any smart PvP player will naturally think of more team coordination. DCs concentrating on keeping the SWs alive, GFs with KV also forming up on the SW, and then the SW making sure the TR is suppressed...
...not this is a PvP I'd like to see.
Yeah I wasn't mentioning this in terms of pvp. PvP is a different beast.
I agree, I just dont see it being possible. DT crits often and puts u in Combat Advantage nearly the whole time. If you are not able to use DT on the trash mobs, then that means you are not getting there fast enough.
Also, where are these guys having all these issues in PvE with getting Interrupted by Mobs effectively stoping DT/TT/BoVA ?
the only place i can think of that DT is a tough sell is PK... those mobs do alot of knock backs, but for whatever you decide to go there, just roll with BoVA, Fiery Bolt and Killing Flames. BoVA will not disengage like DT unless you get stunned.
otherwise you are wasting your groups time in places such as eSOT or eLOL and Especially Tiamat. there is a highly Time-able double Stunn that happens, if you cant learn the timing to that then Tough Luck i suppose.
WTB Class Reroll please
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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Yes it does on targets with wb or tt curse on them. Please read what I said about it consuming a curse. Also nothing consumes creeping death, cd is a dot.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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Then either you read it wrong or you have a bug that somehow only effects you. You decide which is more likely.
hmm. When I get time, I will log in to NW and test it... maybe its bug...
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
==================================================
I hope u dont often go around telling people to "trust" you when you provide them false information.
No abilities "consume" Stacks of CD, they can only ADD to stacks of CD. each Stack of CD is a Single Damage Tick and they consume themselves by procing the single damage hit.. Each CD Stacks has a specific amount of damage it will do based on the Damage done by its Parent hit, which is why you see 1 damage tick often when using at wills or Fury Feats such as Executioners Gift.
BoVA with TT is a fantastic choice for simplicity especially if you have bad timing and tend to die when you start TT.. BovA+ TT is more like a choice for low end runs, like solo Dailies and boring stuff.
Places like ELOL however, you will be doing a disservice to your team by not using the better combos
Example
Scorpions, Easily Solo the scorpions with Warlocks Bargain Killing Flames, and DreadTheft.
I find this Combo to also work best with Lostmouth, the Dragon Heralds, and especially Tiamat Heads. There are occasions where DT, Fiery Bolt and Killing Flames is the better combo, but that Synergy between WB and DT is difficult for me to give up especially since you simply cannot die while Bargain is in effect.
One of the best things u can do in this game is a TT + Fiery Bolt + Killing Flames.. Psychotically big numbers ;p
WTB Class Reroll please
This was SW's best kept secret and the reason why there are soo many subpar SW's lol
WTB Class Reroll please