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dwarf75dwarf75 Member Posts: 89 Arc User
edited January 2015 in General Discussion (PC)
so it seems like personalized rings r the BiS for every class. Can anyone experienced tell me how much does it cost to make jw to make 20 and produce those rings?
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Calculating the level to max jewelcrafting is like saying how long is a piece of string. You can do it for free, otherwise the cost is depending on how much you want to spend. If you don't want to buy the tools, the gemmed rings will generally cost 100-150k AD each (currently).
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dwarf75 wrote: »
    so it seems like personalized rings r the BiS for every class. Can anyone experienced tell me how much does it cost to make jw to make 20 and produce those rings?

    To get to 20 can take no AD just time. Though you can speed it up with AD. To get the rings you'll either need assets or you can buy the ring you need. If you buy the ring that will cost about 150kAD. If you want to make the rare ring, that will cost you over a million to get the Assets but then you can sell the rings as well.
  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    The main asset is around 1.4 -1.6 mill the prize is jumping down and up.
    Other assets are around 300-900k you need 3 from them .
    Purple man cost around 490-600k.

    And this is the recomended for 1 crafting if you want to craft 3 rings /day you need to triple those assets .
    And you can use only 1 forgehammer.
    For 1 personalized ring you need 1 dragon egg from 4 craft even with legendary forghammer min 2 fail.
    Rng is really bad thing 70 % = 50 % fail rate and i crafted more then 200 rings belts .
    GWF 3700Ilvl Éjsötét & ProPala 3200Ilvl Menydörgés (main) & Szürkefarkas 2600 ilvl
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  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    xsayajinx1 wrote: »
    Players who aren't favored from RNG should just buy em' from AH.

    Its not just like me go check out AH see how many failed rings are there.
    By the same player :).

    If you dont want to make money from it you are better if you buy some of you favorit ring then you can craft it to personalised total free.
    GWF 3700Ilvl Éjsötét & ProPala 3200Ilvl Menydörgés (main) & Szürkefarkas 2600 ilvl
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    xsayajinx1 wrote: »
    To make Jewelcrafting to 20 you don't have to pay anything just some time. It's really not wort wasting ADs to speed it up.

    For the pers.Rings, I've bought the gemmed rings which are needed, for 100k each... guess it's cheaper than making them by myself.
    You need too many high lvl assets + eggs to make the gemmed rings. If you got them all it's still no 100% chance to successfully craft them.

    Players who aren't favored from RNG should just buy em' from AH.

    It's not so much paying to speed it up directly but buying higher quality people to make the tasks take less time. I still wouldn't recommend doing it myself. But it is an option.
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  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    charononus wrote: »
    It's not so much paying to speed it up directly but buying higher quality people to make the tasks take less time. I still wouldn't recommend doing it myself. But it is an option.

    When the ring was at prize 300-200 it was worth but now no way with purple man you still need around 47 k + 25-28 k 1 egg wiz ring is around 2500-3800 ad total 78800 ad for 1 ring w/o forghammer you have 40% fail and you can sell it for 100k -10k for posting in aH.
    . I dont think its worth to speed it up.
    GWF 3700Ilvl Éjsötét & ProPala 3200Ilvl Menydörgés (main) & Szürkefarkas 2600 ilvl
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  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    By the way failed rings cant even be salvaged to raw ad :)
    GWF 3700Ilvl Éjsötét & ProPala 3200Ilvl Menydörgés (main) & Szürkefarkas 2600 ilvl
  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I have more eggs than carter has pills...

    I show gemmed rings show in my menue and I am at lvl 17 in Jewel crafting... but it takes 15K AD... is it worth it?

    Urlord
  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    urlord283 wrote: »
    I have more eggs than carter has pills...

    I show gemmed rings show in my menue and I am at lvl 17 in Jewel crafting... but it takes 15K AD... is it worth it?

    Urlord
    I dont understand you so i dont want to misinform y.
    But Gemmed ring are restricted to lvl 20 jewelcrafting .
    And its rare crafting dont show up always every hour it will change and they are all purple crafts.
    GWF 3700Ilvl Éjsötét & ProPala 3200Ilvl Menydörgés (main) & Szürkefarkas 2600 ilvl
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I dont understand you so i dont want to misinform y.
    But Gemmed ring are restricted to lvl 20 jewelcrafting .
    And its rare crafting dont show up always every hour it will change and they are all purple crafts.

    There are blue gemmed rare tasks, but they're <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and you still need the expensive assets to make.
  • llawtllawt Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Jewelcrafting is weird; with full purples %60 chance is like 2 out of 3 for me in leatherworking and tailoring but I am sure there is a different rng working in jewelcrafting since I saw 0 out of 7 with purples plus a legendary forgehammer of gond hammer which is %70 chance. The best way is to buy the gemmed purple ones and craft the personalized ones.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    llawt wrote: »
    Jewelcrafting is weird; with full purples %60 chance is like 2 out of 3 for me in leatherworking and tailoring but I am sure there is a different rng working in jewelcrafting since I saw 0 out of 7 with purples plus a legendary forgehammer of gond hammer which is %70 chance. The best way is to buy the gemmed purple ones and craft the personalized ones.

    Seems fine to me with 4 purples. Sometimes I get 3 gemmed, sometimes 2, or 1 if I'm really unlucky. RNG is RNG. Individually, buying them is better for being guaranteed and not having to buy the tools.
  • healaryhealary Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    All professions can be maxed with a cost of 0 AD since you can always do the resource gathering tasks which cost totally nothing but time and task slots.

    However, time is money and the task slots can be used for other more profitable tasks like leadership... so after all, it is not free.
  • katbozejziemikatbozejziemi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I wonder how many of you actually kept track of their crafting results.
  • oldbaldyoneoldbaldyone Member Posts: 1,840 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    The tools are WAY to rare, and therefore expensive, and even then its not a 100% chance. You need to be really lucky to make a profit, or get the mats dirt cheap. Gear creep is just way to high in this game, making anything but a tier 3 result practically worthless.

    Add JC to the heap of other professions that are worthless....except the "making in rain AD from heaven" one, leadership, of course. Such a waste of a crafting system, but par for the course for this companies games it seems (took a long time for STO to get any crafting love...still unsure if they got it).
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    The tools are WAY to rare, and therefore expensive, and even then its not a 100% chance. You need to be really lucky to make a profit, or get the mats dirt cheap. Gear creep is just way to high in this game, making anything but a tier 3 result practically worthless.

    Add JC to the heap of other professions that are worthless....except the "making in rain AD from heaven" one, leadership, of course. Such a waste of a crafting system, but par for the course for this companies games it seems (took a long time for STO to get any crafting love...still unsure if they got it).

    The tier 3 being the good one isn't from gear creep/power creep. It's because the t3 result is a reagent for another recipe.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    The tools are WAY to rare, and therefore expensive, and even then its not a 100% chance. You need to be really lucky to make a profit, or get the mats dirt cheap. Gear creep is just way to high in this game, making anything but a tier 3 result practically worthless.

    Add JC to the heap of other professions that are worthless....except the "making in rain AD from heaven" one, leadership, of course. Such a waste of a crafting system, but par for the course for this companies games it seems (took a long time for STO to get any crafting love...still unsure if they got it).

    You can make a decent enough from gemmed results. Although, if they come out with artifact rings, that would screw you up. Apart from that stuff like wizard's rings are 2222 ad atm which isn't bad. It's faster to level and currently a better AD return rate. There's also the jewellery kits, but they're not that cost effective.

    For now, it's a better profession that weaponsmithing/artificing and alchemy. It could easily be destroyed though in future. Although at least you can make items for your companions. It's be good if all of those professions had at least bta stuff instead of btc, Then you could help alts out. Especially if you could craft jewellery that levelled with you.
  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    The tools are WAY to rare, and therefore expensive, and even then its not a 100% chance. You need to be really lucky to make a profit, or get the mats dirt cheap. Gear creep is just way to high in this game, making anything but a tier 3 result practically worthless.

    Add JC to the heap of other professions that are worthless....except the "making in rain AD from heaven" one, leadership, of course. Such a waste of a crafting system, but par for the course for this companies games it seems (took a long time for STO to get any crafting love...still unsure if they got it).

    I am already making AD on jewelcrafting and yes I am the sort of nerd that keeps accounting records of his pixel-manufacturing enterprises (I was God at markets playing Spreadsheets and Spaceships). Admitedly I sniped auction bids for impliments and I started early when gemmed purples were going for 1/4 mil. Also I had a couple of epic crucibles from cashing in on the introduction of SW in Mod4. Even then I could sell my impliments formore than I payed and still have a nice profit. Getting into it this late would likely lose you AD.
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  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    My Jita alt did kinda Pwn. Main had lousy sec status because.... things.......
  • katbozejziemikatbozejziemi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    frishter wrote: »
    Although, if they come out with artifact rings, that would screw you up.
    The people who can afford all this artifact **** could easily afford the tools and make their own so it doesn't really matter.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    The people who can afford all this artifact **** could easily afford the tools and make their own so it doesn't really matter.

    It does when your whole source of income relies on others to bother levelling the profession too.
  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Meh. Leveling the profession won't be a source of income unless you invest wisely in tools. It will open personalization. And does not cost anything. So really for a personalized you are looking at 130K AD for the mat and a couple hundred Ad worth of resources. considerably less than the millions it takes to get a legendary artifact item. but let's look at the point difference while we are at it? Shall we? OK. Given say R8 enchants at 260 each and the base 500 points generally (250 in 2 stats, we will disregard the differential from HP items) you are looking at 1020 points 520 of which you choose. A legendary has 1314 point 260 of which you can choose (we're ignoring utilities here because they are utilities). So the atrifact gives maybe 1/3 more points and costs over 10 times as much current refine costs 20-25 times as much. So really it comes down to two questions. How much are those last 300 points worth and can I find an item who's base stats match my build's needs.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    query523 wrote: »
    How much are those last 300 points worth and can I find an item who's base stats match my build's needs.

    If we ignore all of the other benefits.

    Weapon: More at will damage/effect
    Offhand: Boost to feat + extra stat boost
    Neck: +8 AC/AP/3 sec
    Belt: + Ability score

    Gemmed belts of revitalization are 53k, personally idk why people even bother crafting it. Though it does give recovery which isn't the most wanted stat. The gemmed hero's belt is only 80k though, so not that much better.

    It also depends on how obtainable the items are. The weapons and belts are extremely obtainable, while the neck and off hand are fairly reasonably obtainable. You'd be silly to take any weapon set over the artifact weapon set.

    Right now there's not really much downside in levelling the profession and buying items you want. If artifact rings come, the profession could become more niche. It is currently cheap with decent items and BiS rings, but without those being BiS I could see less people bothering. That doesn't apply atm though.
  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Oh yeah I was focussing on the necks as you cannot argue with the stat bonuses on the belts, and there are no weapons in jewelcrafting;) That if they introduce arti rings likely they will be somethinglike arti cloaks. That is to say a lot of points, a minor effect, and legendary before you can get anything other than a utility slot. Arti cloaks would be a much better buy if the offense slot opened at epic. As things stand they are a small increase in performance for a few million AD.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    query523 wrote: »
    Oh yeah I was focussing on the necks as you cannot argue with the stat bonuses on the belts, and there are no weapons in jewelcrafting;) That if they introduce arti rings likely they will be somethinglike arti cloaks. That is to say a lot of points, a minor effect, and legendary before you can get anything other than a utility slot. Arti cloaks would be a much better buy if the offense slot opened at epic. As things stand they are a small increase in performance for a few million AD.

    The extra ap is not a small bonus imo. Even just at blue that balances out the loss of power from the slot for some classes.
  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I suppose there is some legitimacy there. Mostly I play my Trapper and my Conq so AP is never really an issue, usually I am drowning in it. Throw in the extra slot (if nothing else I have never heard the words 'I have too many HP!) and it's hard to justify the expense unless you already have everything else and a pile of AD. I'll likely get one on my main eventually but I'm not in any rush.
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