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morentharmorenthar Member Posts: 2,500 Arc User
edited January 2015 in PvE Discussion
Just got out of a well-balanced, high-end PUG PvP match. Tons of fun. What a rarity.

I'm a WK/Scoundrel. Finished 13-12. The CWs on the opposing team were beasts and the cleric pretty darn tough.

We won but we had to work our butt off for it. One of the CWs was pissed I beat him 1 vs 1 one of the times. But it wasn't easy and with 3 gap closers and I'm built to take out CWs. This guy was GOOD. Did he scream that I'm just another OP Scoundrel. Did any of his teammates complain? No. Emotion got a bit high but no crying. We were an even match because he knows how to fight a Scoundrel and he's built for PvP.

That's what a balanced match gives you. None of this crying over nonsense.

Cryptic: Develop a new matchmaking system because your current system blows. Yes, there are things that need to be tweaked about PvP. Nonetheless, the current system fuels the mast majority of the complaints on these forums. FIX IT PLEASE.

New matchmaking system and new maps and game styles, PLEASE. All you have right now is a pile of wasted potential.

P.S. The other TR in our party, another very good player, also went 13-12. SHOCKING! TRs CAN be killed!
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  • docj0rdocj0r Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    morenthar wrote: »
    Just got out of a well-balanced, high-end PUG PvP match. Tons of fun. What a rarity.

    I'm a WK/Scoundrel. Finished 13-12. The CWs on the opposing team were beasts and the cleric pretty darn tough.

    We won but we had to work our butt off for it. One of the CWs was pissed I beat him 1 vs 1 one of the times. But it wasn't easy and with 3 gap closers and I'm built to take out CWs. This guy was GOOD. Did he scream that I'm just another OP Scoundrel. Did any of his teammates complain? No. Emotion got a bit high but no crying. We were an even match because he knows how to fight a Scoundrel and he's built for PvP.

    That's what a balanced match gives you. None of this crying over nonsense.

    Cryptic: Develop a new matchmaking system because your current system blows. Yes, there are things that need to be tweaked about PvP. Nonetheless, the current system fuels the mast majority of the complaints on these forums. FIX IT PLEASE.

    New matchmaking system and new maps and game styles, PLEASE. All you have right now is a pile of wasted potential.

    P.S. The other TR in our party, another very good player, also went 13-12. SHOCKING! TRs CAN be killed!

    So the first game in 2 weeks where you were actually challenged? (But only by beast CW's) Ok TR's must be balanced then, the evidence is clear.

    I'll just go back to being taken from 60% to 0% in one hit by sub 15kGS TR's and remind myself that it's ok because this one time this CW lined up Ice knife on a TR.

    :p
  • mjytreszmjytresz Member Posts: 500 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    docj0r wrote: »
    So the first game in 2 weeks where you were actually challenged? (But only by beast CW's) Ok TR's must be balanced then, the evidence is clear.

    I'll just go back to being taken from 60% to 0% in one hit by sub 15kGS TR's and remind myself that it's ok because this one time this CW lined up Ice knife on a TR.

    :p

    I'll just go back to being taken from 60% to 0% in one hit by sub 15k GS TR/CW/GWF/GF/DC/SW and remind myself that it's ok because this one time someone lined up a daily on <insert class here>.

    If I sold all these tears, I'd be richer than Bill Gates.
    Broken mechanics, broken class designs, lack of actual content, and over zealous, bronze-age moderation?

    Go Cryptic!
    PS - I quit.
  • docj0rdocj0r Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mjytresz wrote: »
    I'll just go back to being taken from 60% to 0% in one hit by sub 15k GS TR/CW/GWF/GF/DC/SW and remind myself that it's ok because this one time someone lined up a daily on <insert class here>.

    If I sold all these tears, I'd be richer than Bill Gates.

    Nooo actually.. it's the first time I have seen this kind of thing. 12kgs TR hitting for 36k damage in one hit. That's new. Sure we have seen stupid damage from alot of classes, but they have still actually needed gear to do it.
  • mjytreszmjytresz Member Posts: 500 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    docj0r wrote: »
    Nooo actually.. it's the first time I have seen this kind of thing. 12kgs TR hitting for 36k damage in one hit. That's new. Sure we have seen stupid damage from alot of classes, but they have still actually needed gear to do it.

    The difference between a 12k GS TR hitting that hard and a 12k GS CW/GF/GWF is....?
    Broken mechanics, broken class designs, lack of actual content, and over zealous, bronze-age moderation?

    Go Cryptic!
    PS - I quit.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    docj0r wrote: »
    Nooo actually.. it's the first time I have seen this kind of thing. 12kgs TR hitting for 36k damage in one hit. That's new. Sure we have seen stupid damage from alot of classes, but they have still actually needed gear to do it.

    In one shot, ..... maybe. Something that level of imbalance? The original blue glyphs laugh at the thought of being knocked from their place.
  • zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mjytresz wrote: »
    The difference between a 12k GS TR hitting that hard and a 12k GS CW/GF/GWF is....?

    12k GS GWF even if he goes full offensive will only make like 5k power tops. That's like a max of 7k crit with intimidation. o_o
  • docj0rdocj0r Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mjytresz wrote: »
    The difference between a 12k GS TR hitting that hard and a 12k GS CW/GF/GWF is....?

    The difference is a 12kgs TR can do that, and the other classes can't. They have all needed gear. The only other contender for OP there is CW's with piercing damage etc, but again.. still requires gear.
  • mfgamesysmfgamesys Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Okay I have to say this now thinking that trs are 'balanced' or less as per your words. If you get caught you will die over and over because you have no itc and being reliant on your ability to daze with cos will only get you so far. And just to think that scoundrels are balanced are why I corpse jump them, I do not complain just corpse jump.
    Main-Lothor Syralth Guardian Fighter
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  • zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    xsayajinx1 wrote: »
    Additionally I've never seen any screenshots from these numbers, only combat logs... but are you serious that's a trustworthy source? No it's not! I bet 99,99% of the player are able to fake them.

    Riight. We're not trained monkeys to hit Print Screen button in a split second after we get 1 shot. There are plenty of videos, though.
  • froszztfroszzt Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 284 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    docj0r wrote: »
    So the first game in 2 weeks where you were actually challenged? (But only by beast CW's) Ok TR's must be balanced then, the evidence is clear.

    I'll just go back to being taken from 60% to 0% in one hit by sub 15kGS TR's and remind myself that it's ok because this one time this CW lined up Ice knife on a TR.

    :p

    Lmao. You better shush now. OP has provided clear evidence that TR is perfectly balanced!
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    morenthar wrote: »
    P.S. The other TR in our party, another very good player, also went 13-12. SHOCKING! TRs CAN be killed!

    That's a very vague statement. We don't even know who that TR is. Unskilled TRs can be killed easily.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    docj0r wrote: »
    So the first game in 2 weeks where you were actually challenged? (But only by beast CW's) Ok TR's must be balanced then, the evidence is clear.

    I'll just go back to being taken from 60% to 0% in one hit by sub 15kGS TR's and remind myself that it's ok because this one time this CW lined up Ice knife on a TR.

    :p

    OP is a TR. What exactly do you think was the true agenda of this thread? He quickly transitioned from his "balanced match" topic into lobbying that TRs don't need to get nerfed.
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  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    xsayajinx1 wrote: »
    There's no doubt that you won't wait for that second to push the button, I do understand you.

    BUT I do watched some videos on YouTube... are you serious? The people who get one shotted aren't equal in gear nor have any point in tenacity and neither specced for PvP. (Yes, you can see this from play style, crit number, HP-pool, character look) ---> PuG stomper videos who kill 8-12k gs player with 22k HP.

    In my opinion you can't deliver those videos as "proofs" for TR's one shot OPness!

    Well, furthermore those videos also shown the bad matchmaking and what player-range get thrown together.

    You mean the video of Crollax beating 2x BIS Absolute players 2v1 or how about this same TR beating 2x Chocolate Shoppe A-team players 2v1?

    Yeah I guess those guilds are overrated and unskilled. But hey, I guess OP is better than those guilds right? Pffft.
  • mjytreszmjytresz Member Posts: 500 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    OP is a TR. What exactly do you think was the true agenda of this thread? He quickly transitioned from his "balanced match" topic into lobbying that TRs don't need to get nerfed.

    Because they really don't.
    There are plenty of others who hold their own against TRs and pose a very real threat against them. They're out there.

    The problem is all the 20k HP idiots spamming the forums with "hur dis tr one shotteted me for 50k dmg omfg nerf plis!"
    Broken mechanics, broken class designs, lack of actual content, and over zealous, bronze-age moderation?

    Go Cryptic!
    PS - I quit.
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  • bjanubjanu Member Posts: 122 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    Yea sure just had awesome game 1 tr 13k gs vs 16k hr 18k and 20k gs wizzards 2 wizzards died and there was no opportunity to strike him, sure not op at all - semi perma stealth hits and hides, waits repeats. Cant catch up too fast, cant run away - too fast, cant mount gona get proned. Sure its fine, that's exactly the way it should work.
    Oh did i mention there were 2 of those in that game? just the two of them camped us inside the base :D
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    xsayajinx1 wrote: »
    I think we're talking about two completely different things mate.

    I'm talking about "one-hit-wonder-stories" on forum from very very low gs players which are delivered without any serious evidence.

    You're talking about a high-end TR who can easily1vs2 equal geared players because his build is bug-abusing (sounds hard, sorry for that) specced or let's say: he figuered out as many combos as possible (feats + encounters, dailies, class features) to use them in a way that were never planned from devs side, which gives him a big advantage.
    But thats another story.

    You see, we're talking about two different problematics.

    I think they are both a representation of a big problem in PVP namely TRs having a huge control over matches (pug or premade)
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    mjytresz wrote: »
    The problem is all the 20k HP idiots spamming the forums with "hur dis tr one shotteted me for 50k dmg omfg nerf plis!"

    So I assume you don't have a problem with players like Sandstorm, Tyrion and Godmode who have twice your skill and gear complaining about it right? Just the 20k HP pugs? Well, few people listen to those 20k HP pugs anyways so don't worry about them.
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  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    morenthar wrote: »
    Firstly, just because they do premades, it doesn't make their knowledge any more relevant than that of any other serious PvPer. If I was in a PvP guild, I'd do premades a lot more. Now, I'm not sure about Sandstorm or Godmode's opinions on the matter. But I'm **** sure about Tyrion's and I agree with every word he has said thus far. So that basically throws your agenda theory out the window.

    You just can't stand being beat by a class you used to own. Things change around you and you can't adapt. You're one hell of a pro. You suggest that you agree with the opinions of those aforementioned players, but you take it one step further by wishing the total nerfage of the TR class. Far beyond what Tyrion and other top PvPers suggest to fix the issues.

    Keep living the illusion.

    Those 3 players solo queue a lot. Also, being knowledgeable and having experience at matches wherein every single class and player has unlocked their full potential do make a difference. It weeds out variables such as lack of skill, disparities in gear and lack of communication in matches.

    I did not wish to take the step further than what many of the players you mentioned have proposed. I only agreed to their complaints and their assumption that TRs are overpowered. You must be dreaming of stuff yet again.
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