Whats up with TRs?

jondbx · November 2014

Haven't played PVP in a while but queued up for one and some 12K TR was 2-3 shotting me in 2 seconds from stealth. That is despite having 40K HP. Is there some bug or are TR's the current PVP class?

helpimblindinrl · November 2014

Pretty much alongside immortal dcs who make the people around them immortal. That's less rough and more boring.

williep30 · November 2014

jondbx wrote: »

Haven't played PVP in a while but queued up for one and some 12K TR was 2-3 shotting me in 2 seconds from stealth. That is despite having 40K HP. Is there some bug or are TR's the current PVP class?

Are you getting lashing bladed? class feature first strike + lashing blade from stealth is what I hear about TRs 1 shotting...

helpimblindinrl · November 2014

Lashing doesn't matter so much. Its the really easy perma stealth, the control on dazes, now really good damage even from constant stealth, increased dodges, higher deflect chance, the escape from control. Even if things go badly for them they can get away easy. Like some guys will die on the node if they mess up to prevent it from bleeding but a lot of guys willl back off to be back contesting in a few seconds. Much shorter than if they had to respawn.

suddenlyslow · November 2014

helpimblindinrl wrote: »

Lashing doesn't matter so much. Its the really easy perma stealth, the control on dazes, now really good damage even from constant stealth, increased dodges, higher deflect chance, the escape from control. Even if things go badly for them they can get away easy. Like some guys will die on the node if they mess up to prevent it from bleeding but a lot of guys willl back off to be back contesting in a few seconds. Much shorter than if they had to respawn.

There is a stealth TR, a daze TR and a damage TR. The stealth TR is likely the one giving people the most problems as it does deal very significant damage and can maintain stealth easily forever. The damage TR can one hit people with low GS/HP builds, but is rarely in stealth and uses it for the big hits. The daze TR is also rarely in stealth and has less damage than the others (and less single target damage than most other classes) but has higher deflect.

reiwulf · November 2014

suddenlyslow wrote: »

There is a stealth TR, a daze TR and a damage TR. The stealth TR is likely the one giving people the most problems as it does deal very significant damage and can maintain stealth easily forever. The damage TR can one hit people with low GS/HP builds, but is rarely in stealth and uses it for the big hits. The daze TR is also rarely in stealth and has less damage than the others (and less single target damage than most other classes) but has higher deflect.

thank you, most people seem to think that TRs can do ALL of that at the same time. to the op, there are around 3-4 topics talking about TRs in pvp, maybe you could have posted in those instead of creating another topic.
Also I really think TRs will eventually get nerfed someday in the future.

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jeffro9000 · November 2014

Dazing -> Bloodbath -> gg

xnewyorkhardcore · November 2014

Idk, man. I was just in a match in which Lashing Blade would take roughly 95% of my HP and then he'd quickly finished me off w/ whatever. Sucks when your 19k toon gets crushed by a 12k over and over, hit for hit.

Also, what's up with Disruptive Shot neither disrupting nor stunning TRs?

rashylewizz · November 2014

TRs are overpowered node holders who will kill you 1v1 and could even kill 2v1

jarecsteph · November 2014

rashylewizz wrote: »

TRs are overpowered node holders who will kill you 1v1 and could even kill 2v1

Even 3 x 1 and when there about to die they go as fast as a plane to a pot and come back to finished what is left.....

kweassa · November 2014

osterdrache wrote: »

Show me that skillless piece of a gwf taken down by a 12k cw… pls! Cool story bro.

Show me the opposite where a scrubby GS TR kills high GS BiS players so easily, then.

Second: whatever randoms you have watched on preview, I like to base my feedback on actual! high skill endgameplay in actual domination, not on artificial testing duels in IWP.

ROFL.

You got some galls calling 'them' "whatever randoms".

Good luck finding a CW who can persistently beat an equal geared (and equal expirienced one) TR in endgame pvp.

Funny. I thought balance was "WIN A FEW, LOSE A FEW", which is exactly what's happening right now.

OFC, there is noone who PERSISTENTLY beats an equal geared and experienced TR in endgame, because PERSISTENTLY BEATING SOMEONE is a very simple indicator of being that guy being OP against the other in every meaning of the word, and this slip of tongue of yours IMO clearly shows us on just which grounds you view 'balance'.

Your definition of "balance" is a CW, or a HR, or the GWF running around laughing on the node while the TR tries to kill you by poking you with a wet noodle, and then one small mistake happens and the TR gets beaten to a pulp.

Ofcourse, it never crosses your mind that now, the CW or HR or GWF might be the ones that have to leave the node and extend until the TR loses stealth naturally, instead of how its been throughout mod3 and mod4 where the enemies were so powerful and the TR so hopelessly outmatched, that he couldn't even contest the node any more.

So you play the way you've always have. You don't really study or practice with any TR player. You don't respec or build particular anti-TR builds, because that's gonna negatively impact your performance agains tothers. No need for "selection and focus" -- just have your standard, plain build and it can deal with every and any enemies, right? Do you even know how much the TR players -- the serious ones -- have went back and forth through multiple respecs and builds in trying to come up with specific ways to combat GWFs in mod2, HRs in mod3, and CWs in mod4?

Just how much practice did you have with TRs? How many hours spent in theorycrafting? How many different set of power choices and tactics? Just what did you sacrifice to try and defeat a powerful enemy?

I'm betting nothing. I'm betting you don't practice one bit with a guildie, nor do you change enchants or gears or builds or anything. You just try the same stuff you've tried for the last 3 mods, and of course, it doesn't work.

That's what I'm betting on .

THERE IS NO PERSISTENTLY BEATING A TR with a BiS CW or HR or GWF or whatever set-up like it was in mod3~4 now, so get used to it.

And pls dont come with HAMSTER like "its not about 1% of playerbase, its about average TR joe"… because right now I have seen the best cws, hrs, gwfs, gfs on the server getting destroyed by TRs.

Seriously, get real people… and u thought mod2 gwf or mod4 hr were op…

In the "1% circle" the more dire balancing problems and interests are concerned with DCs currently, not TRs. Do you even know what's happening around there? :rolleyes:

katamaster81899 · November 2014

What really pissed me off was the 8k GS **** with only 2k power oneshotting my 16k Sent/Destroyer Hybrid (Intimidation) GWF with around 32k HP. Like. WTF. That SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE...

rashylewizz · November 2014

kweassa wrote: »

Show me the opposite where a scrubby GS TR kills high GS BiS players so easily, then.

Show me a video of ANYONE killing Brollax or Sicarius 1v1 on their TRs. Go ahead.

Why do I even argue with pugs? Don't people realize that pug pvp has so many variables such as gear and skill difference that muddies up people's perceptions of true class balance that can only be realized and surfaced in premade vs premade?

kweassa · November 2014

rashylewizz wrote: »

Show me a video of ANYONE killing Brollax or Sicarius 1v1 on their TRs. Go ahead.

Why do I even argue with pugs? Don't people realize that pug pvp has so many variables such as gear and skill difference that muddies up people's perceptions of true class balance that can only be realized and surfaced in premade vs premade?

Wanna hear my stories of how many times Brollax was owned in the preview by HRs?
Clearly witnessed. Multiple times.

Ofcourse, he got his fair share of wins, yes, but losses as well. For someone who consistently brings up someone else's authority to sound credible, you make way too much careless assumptions -- like the assumption I wasn't there when those players you named were beat. :rolleyes:

Ofcourse, Sic didn't die at all, since his "duels" consisted of running around in a football stadium radius while smacking around and killing people who didn't ask for fights (actually he was shunned from the people every time he came by, since everyone "loves" his character :rolleyes:) -- but then again we know what Sic is like.

You weren't there. I was. Every day. For over two weeks.

Or do I have to name all the HRs who beat him as well? Would you dare call them "PuGs", too, I wonder.

cryptfoundation · December 2014

kweassa wrote: »

Wanna hear my stories of how many times Brollax was owned in the preview by HRs?
Clearly witnessed. Multiple times.

Ofcourse, he got his fair share of wins, yes, but losses as well. For someone who consistently brings up someone else's authority to sound credible, you make way too much careless assumptions -- like the assumption I wasn't there when those players you named were beat. :rolleyes:

Ofcourse, Sic didn't die at all, since his "duels" consisted of running around in a football stadium radius while smacking around and killing people who didn't ask for fights (actually he was shunned from the people every time he came by, since everyone "loves" his character :rolleyes:) -- but then again we know what Sic is like.

You weren't there. I was. Every day. For over two weeks.

Or do I have to name all the HRs who beat him as well? Would you dare call them "PuGs", too, I wonder.

That's probably because either they called no dailies, or it was before the bloodbath saboteur thing was discovered. Otherwise no, no one is beating Sicarius (Crollax too prob) in a good fight. I've witnessed DeadShot go against Sicarius along with a CW and they still could not take him down. (talking about domination)

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cryptfoundation · December 2014

morenthar wrote: »

What is a good fight? If all things are equal, GS, enchants, is it then a good fight? Well, that doesn't happen very often. Here's another reality check.

What are the "top" TRs building out right now? Saboteurs. It's a joke. People put these guys on a pedestal when a lot of these players simply exploit the most obviously OP build they can find. Do they test it on Preview? Oh sure they do, but they sure as **** aren't reporting balance issues about the class they play, unless they think it under-powered.

Look at some of these guys in a match, the amount of elixirs these guys are running with is hilarious. It's like PEDs in baseball. MLB looks the other way while Barry Bonds head grows to twice the size. Answer in sports is test their blood. Answer in this game, just don't allow elixirs in PvP. I'm rambling, so I'll stop. Just consider these thing when discussing PvP and the "greatness" of certain players.

I'm not putting him on a pedestal, it's just to show that the best TRs are not getting beat by anyone 1v1. Also by fair fight I meant they planned for it to happen, and they were both at or close to full HP.

bielka72 · December 2014

But.....it's not enough (from a CW) to say you have to adapt. How can you possibly adapt to the TR when they can one shot you? I'm not even talking about geared players either. With full pure, HP enchants etc etc, TRs can one shot you. And if they don't then they use smoke bomb which reduces your HP down to half, go into stealth and that's it. Do you suggest we use steal time or icy terrain just to deal with one class? (which as you know is useless in pvp and not practical againgst other classes)

In mod 4 sure CWS were top of the tree, but even then near the tail end you were seeing some of the top players moving away from corrupted to pure or a combination, becoming more tanky, more like the situation before mod 4 where premades didn't even want a CW, unless you were uber tanky.

I've seen CWS, fully geared with 40kHP getting one shoted by TRS.

It's just becoming boring very fast.

piejal · December 2014

morenthar wrote: »

FWIW: I fought Brollax with the build I tested on Preview and am now using on live and nearly beat him. You know the build if you'll remember. He was at least 3k higher GS than me.

Here's the thing that people need to remember. There are going to be builds that come along that players are going to have to adapt to. I'm not saying that classes shouldn't be adjusted. It has been clear for awhile what I believe. There's just been a lot of people without much of a clue trying to impose their will on these forums.

Reality: The first Saturday after new TR and DC changes were loaded to preview, I owned nearly anyone I wanted to, as a Scoundrel with a 17.8k TR. I thought of a build, it worked. Only BiS/maxed characters beat me. Then.....good players adapted. TRs figured out the Sab tree and DCs figured out immortality.

Now, is my build still good? It's great and a lot of fun. Am I owning BiS characters still? Sometimes....because they are not very good OR they do not yet know how to deal with me. When good players learn to deal with my build it is about as balanced as balance can be. Epic fights. Bottom line is a BiS/maxed character guzzling potions is going to wipe the floor with me, especially if they are a Sab and don't get fooled, PvP Executioners are HYPER POWERFUL. Kind of a joke how they are complaining right now.

So people can call Kweassa or myself "PUGS" all they want. Fact remains we were some of the only people really testing and pushing boundaries (Demonmonger is another one who thinks outside the box, more than most actually. Why the hell could I possibly, nearly kill Brollax when so under-geared? (I'm not now BTW)

Was it because of skill? I'm a good player but I don't pretend to be great. It's because I thought of something new. Something that not a lot of people figured out yet. The good players figure it out EXCEPTIONALLY quicker than the mediocre ones do. So what do I have now?

A really good build that has become balanced through players adapting to it.

I'm not going into the whole argument again, I'm done. I'll just say that a lot of players truly have no clue as to what they are as a player, how their character is built and how to adjust their play-style to their opponent's style.

So everyone just cries for a nerf. How about you try and figure it out?

Yes you figure it out built to become OP
By any mean 100% crit change is dead wrong in any way include eye strom CW
you must stack crit stat if you wanna do crit damage
For all TR Just enjoy while this bug still on live because the time will come my friend

Whats up with TRs?

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