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Red Dragon Glyphs, *Fix Them Now*
tsokushin
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Seriously, I don't care if you have to copy/paste the coding for blue dragon glyphs, but these need an internal cooldown right now.
There's way too much damage possible with people who have DoT classes, it's absolutely unfair and unplayable in circumstances.
It was good to force these to obey damage resistance. Now, finish the job and put them on an internal cooldown for the damage proc.
There's way too much damage possible with people who have DoT classes, it's absolutely unfair and unplayable in circumstances.
It was good to force these to obey damage resistance. Now, finish the job and put them on an internal cooldown for the damage proc.
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Such a change would completely destroy CW damage wise. We already can't touch HR, GWF, GF and it would take about 10 mins to kill a DC without glyphs.
At this time glyphs are OP on a single class: the HR. I would rather die to HRs 100% than have my CW amputated damage-wise even worse.
Where would it destroy a CW damage wise? PVE where they're still the top, only being beaten by intimidation GWF, or PvP where people still fear the dreaded ice knife?
CW is still the only capable counter to the classes listed. GWF can be bursted low prior to unstoppable, HR's absolutely cannot be killed without a CW, and GF's can still be hamstrung by capable CW's all in PvP. DC's die to CW even without glyphs, it's about timing control abilities.
Hr's are already on the road to being fixed. There's no reason why these glyphs must continue to be this way.
CW damage was (too) good at the start of the mod. After people started to build up tanky enough and the GF shield changes, CWs got left in the cold again.
I'm quite tired of CW being good only as support. The class should be able to 1vs1 successfully any class in the game. At this time, this is a very remote goal, GWFs will 2 shot you while tanking through your damage, HR will kill you even if they miss all the CCs, GFs will kill you by holding Shift and pressing buttons after you dodge to guarantee they land their stuff and so on.
I didn't PvP until the Reds were "nerfed", because I hate the glyphs just like you and posted against them numerous times.
But after seeing how the situation shapes up, my opinion has shifted.
Why even mention PVE here?
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Nobody usually rolls "support" intentionally. I rolled a Mage that's supposed to be powerful.
Now, how powerful, and how successfully? Given about similar gear and skill, about 50% of the times.
I'll give an example.
So my friend has an HR, she usually wears the RG set for PvP. If we 1vs1, she wins some, I win some, with what seems to be a slight disadvantage for my CW. This situation is completely acceptable for me - I am satisfied about how things work - even as I need to make special adjustments in my setup to have a chance.
Now, when I asked her to wear Black Ice gear and red glyphs which is the FOTM atm, I won maybe 1:15, out of what I consider pure luck, and her setup is not even optimized for that gear.
This is no longer acceptable in any shape or form.
Having each class with a 50/50 chance of winning any 1v1 encounter is a pipe dream. It will never happen, as it basically requires all classes to have the exact same strengths and weaknesses just with different special effects.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
I come from WoW, where I did progression raiding for 3 expansions and later on PvP on my Mage. I didn't play other MMOs outside of trying.
50% is a GOAL. It's not a MUST. It's something you should look up to as a developer IMO. It's also possible, as I just described that RG HR vs CW is balanced, of course not 50% exactly, but it's OK, each player can win.
However, this being a 5vs5 game mostly, it is OK that some classes have SLIGHT advantages over the others, to allow for rotations and strategy.
But in these game, the advantages are usually painfully obvious. FOTM HR is better than everything else. I still have Mod 3 gear on mine and I can derp in 1 vs 2-4 situations most of the time. FOTM GWF can 2 shot almost all classes. GF can almost fall asleep on Shift and still kill a CW.
So you see, we cannot have the CW in a place where it falls 1vs1 so easily. CW needs to be able to hold their own 1v1 properly, if they spec for it.
Red glyphs have been a bad idea from the start, anyone who cant notice that ... well ... you know...
You cant add new content witch kills or makes obsolete you other content, for exsample PvP set. Who in their right minds will go for it (and will actually feel punished) when there are Red glyphs now around making it unusable. Relying on a broken item for balance is bad.
So instead of *****ing, any chance of being constructive for a change, and offer actual solutions to the problems at hand ? This had to be said, since this mentality has gotten out of hand
WoW is incredibly more balanced than this game, but it has more time to develop. My Mage was quite adept at duels, 2vs2, 3vs3, didn't go to 5vs5.
As for glyphs and class balance, I don't trust the devs to make my classes balanced. From CW being OP, they relegated back to support instead of balancing it slightly, and they are nerfing it even further. I fear the HR nerfs are just the start as well and they will botch the class completely.
So no thanks, if my class relatively functions with glyphs, as much as I hate them, I'd rather keep them as they are.
Just so you know, glyphs barely bother any geared PvPer in their current state.
Just to know, are glyphs chan ed on preview only or live too? Can't find in patch notes. Only the DMG from reflect damage fix for glyphs
Well, you've rolled control wizard, not damage wizard. Your main strength is supposed to be first and foremost control, not damage.
If you want to pewpew things, there is SW for that.
Its really hard to have any sympathy for CWs after they have been top of the food chain for so long and always pretty potent since release(except a period where GWFs shined really bright with stunlock builds).
Sorry to disappoint you, but mmos are not dueling games, balance is based on teams, not individual classes for the biggest part.
Dude, we have no relevant CC in PvP when it matters. 0 CC against GF, GWF, out-CCed by HR, no CC vs TR either. There has to be some balance with both CC and DPS (not as much as the SW). SW needs CC too or its useless in PvP.
CW has only been truly good for PvE. Were always support for PvP besides 3-4 weeks at the start of M4.
If you knew how premades work, you would understand 1vs1s are important. Some class advantage is OK, but we need to be able to overcome it by SKILL.
Glyphs are "fixed" now. You can dodge, deflect, block, DR them. They also respect debuffs on target... I have seen hits ranging from 30 to 640 or so from Reds. When you are Ray of Frosting some unfortunate proned/CCed dude, most hits are about 350-500.
They are not enough to kill a similarly geared good GWF, GF or HR alone.
Which are these?The ranged ones by definition.
HRs,CW,s SWs.And sometimes TRs that able to land a DF on you but that's require skill and i skip it.
Also the mages even in this thread continue to lie and misinform.Mages are top, mages can benefit from glyphs the most.mages can teamup better with same class to finish a toon quickly with cc combo at 80s range.
It is ridicoulous.
CWs forget always to mention that IGNORE 66% OF TENACITY.
"GFs have shield..'" blah blah blah.
If GFs have shiled just dodge behind them.You press a button.But the majority of high/elite CW pvpers are not even able for that.Accustomed to easy mode pve.
I call it "SPS".Sharanadar Powrie Syndrome :P. They stand stil and facetank the gwfs and the gfs.And when they loose
"the GWFs unstopp is ridicoulous" "GF blocking is insane' etc etc.....
End of anti CW rage
Fixed that for you. CW is not in need of any further improvements.
As long as we're not nerfed and there's some balancing to the GR/GF/GWF, we'd be fine. But we are gonna be nerfed significantly and the other mentioned classes are not receiving the same treatment, not to mention the TR which will reign supreme. So for mod 5, CW is in need of some type of buffing, or we in a very bad place - solely from a PvP premade perspective.
Thing is, now CW cannot use shard anymore, so it's impossible to even overcome class weaknesses with skill, all we have is some ****ty point&click no damage encounters with nerfed procs.
As for GFvsCW, if they are both good, CW should avoid 1vs1 at all costs, just as it's the case vs the HR. The chance to win is incredibly small. GF hits very hard, has a finisher, is immune to CC 99% of the time, has almost perma block, has huge HP pool (60K+), has reflect damage that activates Tenebrous.
All in all, I think a GF, if they chose to, can kill a CW solely by throwing some low damage CC such as FLS from time to time and let the CW kill themselves with tene procs.
It is that bad.
As for "teleport behind and CC", sure, we try to do that. You wanna know what happens after I land a very lucky CC? I Entangle, drop an Ice Knife, Icy Rays, Chill Strike, and watch in amazement how only 25% of the GF's HP is gone and he's back on his feet hunting me.
Top CWs can kill mediocre GFs. Top CWs cannot touch top GFs. This needs to be changed.
Second, it is not true that GF vs CW = GF wins. My GF was killed in such a way by CW even I was impresed with such ease and elegance he killed me. Shard on tab, landed on me even while I was moving, and that cant be blocked. That was all she wrote, I could only watch my character goes from full to dead while not being able to do anything.
It can be blocked.
Shard on Mastery is no longer viable (sadly). It does abolut 2K crit damage on geared PvPers, much less than a single Storm Spell proc that takes 0 skill to land. There is no top PvP CW playing with Shard any longer. I do agree though it's marginally useful against GF - if you can land it - but the fact that they can block Icy Rays and Entangle makes the combo null.
I didnt say it will always work, or its a perfect solution, just listed it as an exsample that it can be done. And as I mentioned even I was impresed by the skill it took to make it look so esay and elegant. I have a CW too, so I know how much practice and skill it took to pull something like that. My point was, its far from what people are making it to be, and we should not rely on a broken mechanic like red glyph, but fix the source of the problem or start working towards that solution.
But we cant do that when forums are simply here to vent frustration, mend ego and yell nerf every1, buff my class. And the usual atitude "I`m the best thing that ever hapend to this game, if I cant do it nerf it, it cant be done"
Also if we keep adding more broken mechanics and damage, this will be 3`rd person shooter in pvp, not an mmorpg game
- can you kill good GFs with your CW? Keep in mind, the issues of CWvsGF arise only when the GF is a good player. I can kill average GFs with my CW. I cannot kill GFs at my skill and gear level.
- Red Glyphs are not even enough for a CW to kill good GF/GWF/HR. They are not turning the class into god-mode. They are just allowing some nicer stat distribution and provide some damage.
- if the glyphs are broken and to be nerfed badly or even removed, I want to see suggestions on how to improve the class that will suffer without them, as in, the CW.
I was so against the glyphs, I didn't PvP almost at all until they got "fixed" and when I did, I used BI overloads. But people got tankier in the meantime, and glyphs got nerfed. CW damage is only dangerous when you let them freecast, so basically just against squishies and CCed targets. If you put some GWF/HR/GF etc. on the CW, his danger-level will decrease 90%.
Things changed.
And keep in mind, in a few weeks, further CW nerf will come Live. I ain't gonna see this class as a glorified punching bag that it used to be.
Why not?
This is not a pvp exclusive game!
Red glyph is practically the only reason to make Draconic set viable for pve.
" so long "?
Really don't know what do you mean!
In mod1-2-3 the CWs were nothing more than target practice for other classes.
At the release of mod4 there was a few weeks window when CWs were good until nerfed assailing force and other things.
Tell that to yourself after a GF/GWF prone/stun lock to the death or a HR root/prone you to the death!
GWF stun and prone you to death? What? GWF in PVP will have 1 stun on a 17 odd second cooldown. The only prone they might have in pvp is a DAILY that can still be dodged.
Yes CW control is good, they open with control / DC sigil / bust your health down below 50% with the red glyph rolling and ice knife. It's quite reliable.
same in preview, still hurts like hell