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baszun67baszun67 Member Posts: 89
edited October 2014 in PvE Discussion
yo, so i get disconnected during heated domination matches. can't get back in for hours. then STILL endure the loss, and leaver penalty, and 10 page ranking loss. either fix the algorithm that controls who and when receives a penalty, or do away with it already. this is BS<<<<
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  • adernathadernath Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I've made the same experience: got disconnected during a pvp match. After reconnection I found myself outside of the arena with a loss in my history, a drop in many ranks and on top of that a leaver penalty. On the other hand people are frequently abusing it to avoid bad stats. Something must be done...
    Suggestions to improve NW:
    - Dualspec
    - Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
    - Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
    - Armory
    - make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
  • nameexpirednameexpired Member Posts: 1,282 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    baszun67 wrote: »
    yo, so i get disconnected during heated domination matches. can't get back in for hours. then STILL endure the loss, and leaver penalty, and 10 page ranking loss. either fix the algorithm that controls who and when receives a penalty, or do away with it already. this is BS<<<<
    Waiting for your suggestion how to prevent players abusing this by disconnecing to prevent that drop in rankif they see an incoming defeat.
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  • liliadnaliliadna Member Posts: 96
    edited October 2014
    there is no way to determine if you got DC'ed by accident or used alt+f4 or kill command or plugged off cable out of your modem

    so you see how players could just easily avoid the penalty even if they did leave the BG on purpose and for that very reason the penalty exist and if you get DC once a while, well go play BG with other character or do something else (dungeon, skirmish, dragon killing, movie watching...) for a while
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited October 2014
    I guess you have never worked with network connections before. ;)

    There's absolutely no difference the servers can perceive between somebody pressing the reset button on their computer or pulling the plug from their modem/router and somebody who had an honest loss of connection.

    Unfortunately that is just the way network connections work.

    The penalties are a must have. I played when there were no penalties and dealing with a penalty due to a loss of connection is a small price to pay to not have people leave and try for another queue. At least now if I have to suffer because they want to sit in the base they suffer with me.

    Since there is absolutely no way to tell the difference between a person smart enough to pull the plug on their modem and somebody who had an honest loss of connection so there's no fix to be had.
  • adernathadernath Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I think some people found a way to avoid this penalty. Honestly I have no idea how, I never tried it will never try it.
    Suggestions to improve NW:
    - Dualspec
    - Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
    - Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
    - Armory
    - make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited October 2014
    Despite my begging the penalty is per character and not per account. It's been a while since I begged them to change that though so I guess it is time to beg again...

    I'll tack it on with the "why the dhyfrhs is 2 people a majority of 5?!" :p
  • lihin23nihillihin23nihil Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I'll tack it on with the "why the dhyfrhs is 2 people a majority of 5?!" :p

    Sorry that this is off topic to thread, but may be relevant to your post.

    Recently I got into a dungeon queue where the party was only 4, 3 members of the group were disconnected but I was unable to initiate a vote kick as the system detected only 1 eligible voter. Consequently this broken group polluted the queue for a long time.

    So whilst 2 is to few in most cases there would be a benefit to having a more complex algorithm decide upon what constitutes a majority in each party.
  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Despite my begging the penalty is per character and not per account. It's been a while since I begged them to change that though so I guess it is time to beg again...

    I'll tack it on with the "why the dhyfrhs is 2 people a majority of 5?!" :p

    If you ask me, they took 50% of 5 and rounded down to account for a simple majority.
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  • mareatlanticummareatlanticum Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 202 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Added to this, I have experienced strange "You were removed from pvp" near start and also with the penalty. I would think I was kicked, except that shouldn't be possible...
    Give us 4 or more power/item bar profiles so we can change powers and items with one click that are suited for the situation.
  • mareatlanticummareatlanticum Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 202 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Despite my begging the penalty is per character and not per account. It's been a while since I begged them to change that though so I guess it is time to beg again...

    I'll tack it on with the "why the dhyfrhs is 2 people a majority of 5?!" :p

    Please do not beg this again. This would prevent totally pvp for any major que events like CtAs. Also why do you think it is better to have people standing there in the campsite instead of going to play next pvp match? When I played with one character, I just started with pvp and went on with dailies if I got the 30 min penalty and still do that. Only when it hurts is during pvp event or when the Armories of Moradin is near, but I still simply leave to do other things during the penalty rather than stand in the campsite.

    Getting gang-****-killed isn't fun by any standards and there simply is two choices when the opposing party is crushing your side, leave or camp (not going to give out free glory when you yourself gain none) and leaving is more fun as you can actually do something that matters with your time.

    If there wasn't the pvp dailies for raw AD, I would have stopped pvp long time ago and if they make completing those dailies any harder, more frustrating or time consuming, I (and probably some others) will stop pvp all toghether for more profitable and fun activities.
    Give us 4 or more power/item bar profiles so we can change powers and items with one click that are suited for the situation.
  • rollingonitrollingonit Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Please do not beg this again. This would prevent totally pvp for any major que events like CtAs.

    I think you misunderstood him on that initial part. (maybe I misunderstood you there) He wants it per char NOT per account. So youd be able to queue on other characters thus not totally locking you out. +1 for that fight.
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  • lihin23nihillihin23nihil Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I think you misunderstood him on that initial part. (maybe I misunderstood you there) He wants it per char NOT per account.

    No , he wrote that he wanted it to be per account. I suspect in the hopes that it would actually be effective as a deterrent.
  • rollingonitrollingonit Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Oi -1 to suggest. Thought it was already per account though? IDK I left a PVP match once after the entire other team left, to go do a dungeon (but was a diff account). Someone warned me I wouldnt be able to join, but because it was diff account I could. eh IDK
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Despite my begging the penalty is per character and not per account. It's been a while since I begged them to change that though so I guess it is time to beg again...

    I'll tack it on with the "why the dhyfrhs is 2 people a majority of 5?!" :p

    This would be excessive. Right now the penalty is enough to stop people from leaving most of the time, when people do leave is only because its a complete stomp. If my team all gave up and is waiting by the campfire what is wrong with me switching to an alt to play that instead of sitting at the fire doing nothing.
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  • mareatlanticummareatlanticum Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 202 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Waiting for your suggestion how to prevent players abusing this by disconnecing to prevent that drop in rankif they see an incoming defeat.
    I am curious! Tell me!

    I don't think he said he wanted the disconnect loss to go away, just the leaver penalty, which is total BS. Now when you already gain a loss by leaving or disconnecting, the leaver penalty is too much, as is the removed for being 5 min AFK AND leavef penalty for being removed.

    Just remove the annoying leaver penalty and we are fine...
    Give us 4 or more power/item bar profiles so we can change powers and items with one click that are suited for the situation.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited October 2014
    Wow so much confusion over such a simple statement.

    Leaver penalty is good. Leaver penalty should not be taken away. Leaver penalty should completely make you cry and not play for a half an hour if you leave.

    What's wrong with switching to an alt if you are stomped and don't want to sit at the campfire? I end up sitting there while you end up enjoying your time. Like I said, if I have to suffer because your rage quit at least you have to suffer with me. Your time is NOT more valuable than mine.

    In case you guys don't understand the point of a leaver penalty is to STOP you from leaving.
    If you can simple decide to play on a different character you are completely defeating the point of having the leaver penalty to stop you from leaving.

    There's no way you can argue that without really making yourself look like a selfish human being...
    Your time and my time is equal. Don't rage quit. If you do believe otherwise then please don't play, 'kay?
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  • qq88ppqq88pp Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    There's no way you can argue that without really making yourself look like a selfish human being...
    Your time and my time is equal. Don't rage quit. If you do believe otherwise then please don't play, 'kay?

    I guess you should work on your attitude.
    It you who is being selfish. Just because you are to lazy or anti-social to get together a party of trusted players you insist on defending the leaver penalty.
    If you are a HAMSTER talker I can ignore you. If you are a stupid campfire sitter I prefer to eat the 30 minutes to helping you gain some glory. You always only run to the home node, and have a GS of 5k with your level 60.
    That is why it should be allowed to quit random PUGs.
    All your statements just show that YOU value YOUR time higher than mine. Because you insist that I have to stay in a game with a player that does 90% of the time chat and orders people around.
    I won't meet you, as I chose to go to PvP with a team. And if anyone of them is unlucky enough to have an internet hiccup in the last 5s of the game it's 30 minutes pause for him.
    Just because your gaming experience is more important than mine.

    It is you who is being selfish.
  • qq88ppqq88pp Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    added: this ins not a personal you but a general you to all you there that defend this penalty due to other "wasting their time". And the other way around as well, but that does not count in "you" opinion.
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