TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.
TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.
TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.
if u cant block lb u should get hit and die right away
Conversely, you could go for WoB and destroy a mob, but the point is using it as your first shot to destroy a 5+HD monster, getting the tank off your back in PvE.
Now, a 100k crit from shocking execution... we may have to talk about that
TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.
arent gf those that can block everything indefinitely without showing blocking animation ? -.-'' you are just bad. right?
Conversely, you could go for WoB and destroy a mob, but the point is using it as your first shot to destroy a 5+HD monster, getting the tank off your back in PvE.
Now, a 100k crit from shocking execution... we may have to talk about that
i will not believe in these world even if you show me screenshot. you can delete shocking exeution for me.
i will not believe in these world even if you show me screenshot. you can delete shocking exeution for me.
Unfortunately, I didn't think to capture the moment. I was too much in shock, seeing those big orange numbers and double-checking the zeros.
Honestly, I'd have to say it was a lot of luck - right amount of HP gone, Executioner cap might've just refreshed, and Crit on SE.
(though I did obtain 33k damage from it w/o crit on a previous occasion)
Yes, yes, we know TR has a trick where you can slot first strike, use a daily, and then have a chance to land a lashing blade for high damage. Aside from this stunt though, it is very impractical to use LB compared to PoTB with the way things are on preview. Also deflected LBs can cause even more problems when trying to rely on this 1 trick tactic.
Wait till you see a Sabo using PotB with Bloodbath and DC sigil while stealthed if you think LB is OP. No one in their right mind would ever slot LB in comparison. I wasn't going to bring it up, but I figure since I still don't plan on coming back to the game after this I might as well. Plus I abused it enough the night this stuff came out on preview and I'm sure people will find it eventually if they haven't already.
Wait till you see a Sabo using PotB with Bloodbath and DC sigil while stealthed if you think LB is OP. No one in their right mind would ever slot LB in comparison. I wasn't going to bring it up, but I figure since I still don't plan on coming back to the game after this I might as well. Plus I abused it enough the night this stuff came out on preview and I'm sure people will find it eventually if they haven't already.
I must fear you mystake concepts. You just said TR would abuse something. You know if what you just said would be true then all gameplay of CW would be one huge abuse. Abuse of life steal with dmg, abuse of control cause all others class have no real control, also abuse freezing opponents cause no other class has anything quite like it. But all of that is not abuse because cw is best aoe dmg dealer and control class. That is exactly same reason TR is supposed to have such a dmg. They are stealth based class which is naturally best for pvp. Same as mage, in this game CW is naturally best class for pve. These classes are specialized in these factors. So next time you will try to amuse others with these examples of ,,abusing'' think about CW control and aoe dmg+lifesteal.
Tairev-TR(All kind of killing tools) Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion) Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
I must fear you mystake concepts. You just said TR would abuse something. You know if what you just said would be true then all gameplay of CW would be one huge abuse. Abuse of life steal with dmg, abuse of control cause all others class have no real control, also abuse freezing opponents cause no other class has anything quite like it. But all of that is not abuse because cw is best aoe dmg dealer and control class. That is exactly same reason TR is supposed to have such a dmg. They are stealth based class which is naturally best for pvp. Same as mage, in this game CW is naturally best class for pve. These classes are specialized in these factors. So next time you will try to amuse others with these examples of ,,abusing'' think about CW control and aoe dmg+lifesteal.
I agree, some people are just afraid there will be someone out there who will stop them from abusing so before that happens they destroy it for good. I'm pretty sure a lot of people are trying their best to mess up TR because they are COWARDS!
TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.
do guardians ever leave block?
hunters/rogues with deflect builds can ruin that if it deflects.
i think wizards have shield which can mitigate most of that if it's like the 1st hit (which is very likely). many used to use it prior to tenacity since it was a useful counter to rogues that started with lashing.
idk about the new cleric since it's like a completely new class
oh and when rogues used to be an actual threat, i remember wizards/hunters dodging my lashing blade right b4 it hit them with no forewarning i was coming for them. gl vs those with that kind of reflexes.
It's only with first strike so good TR players will go around 1 shotting squishy pugs and get crazy kills in a game but against a good gf they wont be able to land it, unless it's from stealth and in the back when the gf is fighting another player. When you first enter combat with the TR just block his LB and then do your rotation.
The only guardians that stay behind there shield is the red glyph stupid reflect builds. Now that SOS and KV have been nerfed, guardians will go back to fighting properly again. I myself only use block when needed and are too busy trying to kill people to stay behind it all day.
I must fear you mystake concepts. You just said TR would abuse something. You know if what you just said would be true then all gameplay of CW would be one huge abuse. Abuse of life steal with dmg, abuse of control cause all others class have no real control, also abuse freezing opponents cause no other class has anything quite like it. But all of that is not abuse because cw is best aoe dmg dealer and control class. That is exactly same reason TR is supposed to have such a dmg. They are stealth based class which is naturally best for pvp. Same as mage, in this game CW is naturally best class for pve. These classes are specialized in these factors. So next time you will try to amuse others with these examples of ,,abusing'' think about CW control and aoe dmg+lifesteal.
Hopefully this clarifies things to help you understand my point. My point was, it is abuse because it is an imbalanced mechanic that resulted from their inability to effectively test/analyze the outcomes of the changes that they are making to the rogue. I do not believe it is an intentional synergy between the skills/feats that they wanted to have for rogues. Also, this is strictly a PvP point. I am sure its capabilities are balanced for PvE where much more damage is needed from rogues. I am not here to amuse people, I am here to be analytical of the game and better understand it, (particularly for rogues), by collaborating via the forums. Thank you for your heart warming words though.
I agree, some people are just afraid there will be someone out there who will stop them from abusing so before that happens they destroy it for good. I'm pretty sure a lot of people are trying their best to mess up TR because they are COWARDS!
I feel you simply did not like the stance I took with regards to wanting to hide the synergy of the skills/feats that you decided to blindly agree with the next post that took any stance against mine. Unless I misinterpreted, the post you "agreed" with was merely saying it shouldn't be considered abuse if it is a mechanic they implemented. In no way were they attempting to say anything negative about me or the rogue class in general. It seems you simply have some unjustified hate for rogue players in general and wanted to vent.
This is just what I am gathering from both of your posts. To be honest I have a very hard time interpreting what ideas you guys are trying to communicate and the intention behind your posts. Nevertheless, I hope this clears things up for you.
Hopefully this clarifies things to help you understand my point. My point was, it is abuse because it is an imbalanced mechanic that resulted from their inability to effectively test/analyze the outcomes of the changes that they are making to the rogue. I do not believe it is an intentional synergy between the skills/feats that they wanted to have for rogues. Also, this is strictly a PvP point. I am sure its capabilities are balanced for PvE where much more damage is needed from rogues. I am not here to amuse people, I am here to be analytical of the game and better understand it, (particularly for rogues), by collaborating via the forums. Thank you for your heart warming words though.
I feel you simply did not like the stance I took with regards to wanting to hide the synergy of the skills/feats that you decided to blindly agree with the next post that took any stance against mine. Unless I misinterpreted, the post you "agreed" with was merely saying it shouldn't be considered abuse if it is a mechanic they implemented. In no way were they attempting to say anything negative about me or the rogue class in general. It seems you simply have some unjustified hate for rogue players in general and wanted to vent.
This is just what I am gathering from both of your posts. To be honest I have a very hard time interpreting what ideas you guys are trying to communicate and the intention behind your posts. Nevertheless, I hope this clears things up for you.
The intention is very simple. You neglect perceiving how other classes abuse their skills which makes them not killable in pvp. TR was a victim of 2 last mods. In mod 3 no chance to kill HR/GWF. In this mod we can eventually kill same geared GWF/DC. Now that they are trying to make TR viable again, and you said before you are not coming back to game, and yet you are trying to say that TR would abuse anything? This is simply making chaos. Every class will use what they are given, devs are there to balance it. CW are abusing spellstorm, HR are abusing piercing blade, GWF were abusing roar. Where were you then when entire mod 3 pvp was not doable due to roar? ENTIRE mod in pvp was lost because they could not fix that power... And now in this mod cw has many skills to destroy TR and we have nothing to harm them if they use all their skills well. Also CW has the best single target dmg, the best aoe dmg and the best control. And yet you come on TR forum and say about abusing things which are not even in live server? That is so unfair. Neglecting fact that now people can make one class for both pve/pvp and you come with your abusing skills of class which has no place right now neither in pvp or pve. If they will get place it's at most 1 place for 5 slots in pvp when we are stealth class and in any other balanced mmo rogue would be important. In this one rogue means nearly nothing except for trying to survive on the node against HR against which TR has no chance to harm(on equal gear).
Tairev-TR(All kind of killing tools) Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion) Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
This is just what I am gathering from both of your posts. To be honest I have a very hard time interpreting what ideas you guys are trying to communicate and the intention behind your posts. Nevertheless, I hope this clears things up for you.
They don't have any ideas. They only have a single-minded agenda which is "let me perma, and also do 1-shot damage".
Hence, anyone that even slightestly hints that the current Gloaming-Cut centered pseudo-perma with Executioner tree 1shot capability might be too OP and should be tweaked before making it to live, they will bite on.
Watch your tush, godly. They leave bitemarks.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Hence, anyone that even slightestly hints that the current Gloaming-Cut centered pseudo-perma with Executioner tree 1shot capability might be too OP and should be tweaked before making it to live, they will bite on.
Bear in mind the 1-shot is literally that - one chance right at the start of combat, assuming you slotted First Strike instead of a more useful choice and the target doesn't deflect the hit. Or have really high DR. It's great on target dummies though.
The GC-centered Sab build focussed on PotB, WR, and Bloodbath has far more sustained deadliness IMO.
Bear in mind the 1-shot is literally that - one chance right at the start of combat, assuming you slotted First Strike instead of a more useful choice and the target doesn't deflect the hit. Or have really high DR. It's great on target dummies though.
The GC-centered Sab build focussed on PotB, WR, and Bloodbath has far more sustained deadliness IMO.
Indeed.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
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Do you remember this game has PVE too?
Your point is?
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
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It's obvious that person is shaking in his/her boots and wants to drive as much attention on this as possible. xD
if u cant block lb u should get hit and die right away
Conversely, you could go for WoB and destroy a mob, but the point is using it as your first shot to destroy a 5+HD monster, getting the tank off your back in PvE.
Now, a 100k crit from shocking execution... we may have to talk about that
Sharra Del'Armgo - SW Trapper Hybrid HR
Ogghra Bar'Ghuzumn - MI Scoundrel TR
Vænna Thrymskjöldr - IV Protector GF
arent gf those that can block everything indefinitely without showing blocking animation ? -.-'' you are just bad. right?
i will not believe in these world even if you show me screenshot. you can delete shocking exeution for me.
Unfortunately, I didn't think to capture the moment. I was too much in shock, seeing those big orange numbers and double-checking the zeros.
Honestly, I'd have to say it was a lot of luck - right amount of HP gone, Executioner cap might've just refreshed, and Crit on SE.
(though I did obtain 33k damage from it w/o crit on a previous occasion)
Sharra Del'Armgo - SW Trapper Hybrid HR
Ogghra Bar'Ghuzumn - MI Scoundrel TR
Vænna Thrymskjöldr - IV Protector GF
melee? no clue, but a PvE archer can rack that up with 1 well-placed RoA and pass it with a full rotation.
Sharra Del'Armgo - SW Trapper Hybrid HR
Ogghra Bar'Ghuzumn - MI Scoundrel TR
Vænna Thrymskjöldr - IV Protector GF
I must fear you mystake concepts. You just said TR would abuse something. You know if what you just said would be true then all gameplay of CW would be one huge abuse. Abuse of life steal with dmg, abuse of control cause all others class have no real control, also abuse freezing opponents cause no other class has anything quite like it. But all of that is not abuse because cw is best aoe dmg dealer and control class. That is exactly same reason TR is supposed to have such a dmg. They are stealth based class which is naturally best for pvp. Same as mage, in this game CW is naturally best class for pve. These classes are specialized in these factors. So next time you will try to amuse others with these examples of ,,abusing'' think about CW control and aoe dmg+lifesteal.
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
I agree, some people are just afraid there will be someone out there who will stop them from abusing so before that happens they destroy it for good. I'm pretty sure a lot of people are trying their best to mess up TR because they are COWARDS!
do guardians ever leave block?
hunters/rogues with deflect builds can ruin that if it deflects.
i think wizards have shield which can mitigate most of that if it's like the 1st hit (which is very likely). many used to use it prior to tenacity since it was a useful counter to rogues that started with lashing.
idk about the new cleric since it's like a completely new class
oh and when rogues used to be an actual threat, i remember wizards/hunters dodging my lashing blade right b4 it hit them with no forewarning i was coming for them. gl vs those with that kind of reflexes.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
The only guardians that stay behind there shield is the red glyph stupid reflect builds. Now that SOS and KV have been nerfed, guardians will go back to fighting properly again. I myself only use block when needed and are too busy trying to kill people to stay behind it all day.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Hopefully this clarifies things to help you understand my point. My point was, it is abuse because it is an imbalanced mechanic that resulted from their inability to effectively test/analyze the outcomes of the changes that they are making to the rogue. I do not believe it is an intentional synergy between the skills/feats that they wanted to have for rogues. Also, this is strictly a PvP point. I am sure its capabilities are balanced for PvE where much more damage is needed from rogues. I am not here to amuse people, I am here to be analytical of the game and better understand it, (particularly for rogues), by collaborating via the forums. Thank you for your heart warming words though.
I feel you simply did not like the stance I took with regards to wanting to hide the synergy of the skills/feats that you decided to blindly agree with the next post that took any stance against mine. Unless I misinterpreted, the post you "agreed" with was merely saying it shouldn't be considered abuse if it is a mechanic they implemented. In no way were they attempting to say anything negative about me or the rogue class in general. It seems you simply have some unjustified hate for rogue players in general and wanted to vent.
This is just what I am gathering from both of your posts. To be honest I have a very hard time interpreting what ideas you guys are trying to communicate and the intention behind your posts. Nevertheless, I hope this clears things up for you.
The intention is very simple. You neglect perceiving how other classes abuse their skills which makes them not killable in pvp. TR was a victim of 2 last mods. In mod 3 no chance to kill HR/GWF. In this mod we can eventually kill same geared GWF/DC. Now that they are trying to make TR viable again, and you said before you are not coming back to game, and yet you are trying to say that TR would abuse anything? This is simply making chaos. Every class will use what they are given, devs are there to balance it. CW are abusing spellstorm, HR are abusing piercing blade, GWF were abusing roar. Where were you then when entire mod 3 pvp was not doable due to roar? ENTIRE mod in pvp was lost because they could not fix that power... And now in this mod cw has many skills to destroy TR and we have nothing to harm them if they use all their skills well. Also CW has the best single target dmg, the best aoe dmg and the best control. And yet you come on TR forum and say about abusing things which are not even in live server? That is so unfair. Neglecting fact that now people can make one class for both pve/pvp and you come with your abusing skills of class which has no place right now neither in pvp or pve. If they will get place it's at most 1 place for 5 slots in pvp when we are stealth class and in any other balanced mmo rogue would be important. In this one rogue means nearly nothing except for trying to survive on the node against HR against which TR has no chance to harm(on equal gear).
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
They don't have any ideas. They only have a single-minded agenda which is "let me perma, and also do 1-shot damage".
Hence, anyone that even slightestly hints that the current Gloaming-Cut centered pseudo-perma with Executioner tree 1shot capability might be too OP and should be tweaked before making it to live, they will bite on.
Watch your tush, godly. They leave bitemarks.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
The GC-centered Sab build focussed on PotB, WR, and Bloodbath has far more sustained deadliness IMO.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Indeed.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'