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godofallodsgodofallods Member Posts: 31 Arc User
edited October 2014 in The Thieves' Den
TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.
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  • zeroshiki7zeroshiki7 Member Posts: 8
    edited October 2014
    TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.

    Do you remember this game has PVE too?
  • magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    zeroshiki7 wrote: »
    Do you remember this game has PVE too?

    Your point is?
  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Your point is?
    That LB is about right for PvE. Nerf it for PvP and it goes back to being useless for PvE.
    Jenna Sunsoul - Justice Tankadin
    Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
    Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
    Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
    Darquess - Soulbinder
  • xyntrynz1axyntrynz1a Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 243 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    And then we are right back to mod 2
    Scoundrel Trickster Rogue
    Leaving dead question marks everywhere
  • eldartheldarth Member Posts: 4,494 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Why would you start a brand new thread that the Devs are not going to see instead of posting this in the
    Official Feedback Thread: Trickster Rogue Changes that was started by the Devs?
  • izidiusizidius Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 40
    edited October 2014
    eldarth wrote: »
    Why would you start a brand new thread that the Devs are not going to see instead of posting this in the
    Official Feedback Thread: Trickster Rogue Changes that was started by the Devs?

    It's obvious that person is shaking in his/her boots and wants to drive as much attention on this as possible. xD
  • f2pmaf2pma Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.

    if u cant block lb u should get hit and die right away
  • kleejikleeji Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    its only going to do that once in a fight, and only if its the first attack he uses
  • ikapamkikapamk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 294 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Precisely. You have 1 50k shot. Use it wisely.

    Conversely, you could go for WoB and destroy a mob, but the point is using it as your first shot to destroy a 5+HD monster, getting the tank off your back in PvE.

    Now, a 100k crit from shocking execution... we may have to talk about that
    Carpe Jugulum
    Sharra Del'Armgo - SW Trapper Hybrid HR
    Ogghra Bar'Ghuzumn - MI Scoundrel TR
    Vænna Thrymskjöldr - IV Protector GF
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.

    arent gf those that can block everything indefinitely without showing blocking animation ? -.-'' you are just bad. right?
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    ikapamk wrote: »
    Precisely. You have 1 50k shot. Use it wisely.

    Conversely, you could go for WoB and destroy a mob, but the point is using it as your first shot to destroy a 5+HD monster, getting the tank off your back in PvE.

    Now, a 100k crit from shocking execution... we may have to talk about that

    i will not believe in these world even if you show me screenshot. you can delete shocking exeution for me.
  • mike8145mike8145 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    And how long, do you think, it would take a high geared melee HR to do that much damage in PvP?
  • ikapamkikapamk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 294 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    rayrdan wrote: »
    i will not believe in these world even if you show me screenshot. you can delete shocking exeution for me.

    Unfortunately, I didn't think to capture the moment. I was too much in shock, seeing those big orange numbers and double-checking the zeros.
    Honestly, I'd have to say it was a lot of luck - right amount of HP gone, Executioner cap might've just refreshed, and Crit on SE.
    (though I did obtain 33k damage from it w/o crit on a previous occasion)
    Carpe Jugulum
    Sharra Del'Armgo - SW Trapper Hybrid HR
    Ogghra Bar'Ghuzumn - MI Scoundrel TR
    Vænna Thrymskjöldr - IV Protector GF
  • ikapamkikapamk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 294 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    mike8145 wrote: »
    And how long, do you think, it would take a high geared melee HR to do that much damage in PvP?

    melee? no clue, but a PvE archer can rack that up with 1 well-placed RoA and pass it with a full rotation.
    Carpe Jugulum
    Sharra Del'Armgo - SW Trapper Hybrid HR
    Ogghra Bar'Ghuzumn - MI Scoundrel TR
    Vænna Thrymskjöldr - IV Protector GF
  • godlysoul2godlysoul2 Member Posts: 661 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Yes, yes, we know TR has a trick where you can slot first strike, use a daily, and then have a chance to land a lashing blade for high damage. Aside from this stunt though, it is very impractical to use LB compared to PoTB with the way things are on preview. Also deflected LBs can cause even more problems when trying to rely on this 1 trick tactic.
  • reds351reds351 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    LB is ok ish because you only get one chance if they dodge of it deflects your a fish out of water.
  • godlysoul2godlysoul2 Member Posts: 661 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Wait till you see a Sabo using PotB with Bloodbath and DC sigil while stealthed if you think LB is OP. No one in their right mind would ever slot LB in comparison. I wasn't going to bring it up, but I figure since I still don't plan on coming back to the game after this I might as well. Plus I abused it enough the night this stuff came out on preview and I'm sure people will find it eventually if they haven't already.
  • crusherbeastcrusherbeast Member Posts: 426 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    godlysoul2 wrote: »
    Wait till you see a Sabo using PotB with Bloodbath and DC sigil while stealthed if you think LB is OP. No one in their right mind would ever slot LB in comparison. I wasn't going to bring it up, but I figure since I still don't plan on coming back to the game after this I might as well. Plus I abused it enough the night this stuff came out on preview and I'm sure people will find it eventually if they haven't already.

    I must fear you mystake concepts. You just said TR would abuse something. You know if what you just said would be true then all gameplay of CW would be one huge abuse. Abuse of life steal with dmg, abuse of control cause all others class have no real control, also abuse freezing opponents cause no other class has anything quite like it. But all of that is not abuse because cw is best aoe dmg dealer and control class. That is exactly same reason TR is supposed to have such a dmg. They are stealth based class which is naturally best for pvp. Same as mage, in this game CW is naturally best class for pve. These classes are specialized in these factors. So next time you will try to amuse others with these examples of ,,abusing'' think about CW control and aoe dmg+lifesteal.
    Tairev-TR(All kind of killing tools)
    Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
    Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    I must fear you mystake concepts. You just said TR would abuse something. You know if what you just said would be true then all gameplay of CW would be one huge abuse. Abuse of life steal with dmg, abuse of control cause all others class have no real control, also abuse freezing opponents cause no other class has anything quite like it. But all of that is not abuse because cw is best aoe dmg dealer and control class. That is exactly same reason TR is supposed to have such a dmg. They are stealth based class which is naturally best for pvp. Same as mage, in this game CW is naturally best class for pve. These classes are specialized in these factors. So next time you will try to amuse others with these examples of ,,abusing'' think about CW control and aoe dmg+lifesteal.

    I agree, some people are just afraid there will be someone out there who will stop them from abusing so before that happens they destroy it for good. I'm pretty sure a lot of people are trying their best to mess up TR because they are COWARDS!
  • demonkyuubidemonkyuubi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    TR lashing blade NEEDS to be nerfed. Currently it's dealing 40k damage with a 18k gs TR against a 21k gs GF. keep in mind lashing blade has a cooldown of ~16 seconds.

    do guardians ever leave block?

    hunters/rogues with deflect builds can ruin that if it deflects.

    i think wizards have shield which can mitigate most of that if it's like the 1st hit (which is very likely). many used to use it prior to tenacity since it was a useful counter to rogues that started with lashing.

    idk about the new cleric since it's like a completely new class

    oh and when rogues used to be an actual threat, i remember wizards/hunters dodging my lashing blade right b4 it hit them with no forewarning i was coming for them. gl vs those with that kind of reflexes.
  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    It's only with first strike so good TR players will go around 1 shotting squishy pugs and get crazy kills in a game but against a good gf they wont be able to land it, unless it's from stealth and in the back when the gf is fighting another player. When you first enter combat with the TR just block his LB and then do your rotation.
    Crixus - PVP GF
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    do guardians ever leave block?

    The only guardians that stay behind there shield is the red glyph stupid reflect builds. Now that SOS and KV have been nerfed, guardians will go back to fighting properly again. I myself only use block when needed and are too busy trying to kill people to stay behind it all day.
    Crixus - PVP GF
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • godlysoul2godlysoul2 Member Posts: 661 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    I must fear you mystake concepts. You just said TR would abuse something. You know if what you just said would be true then all gameplay of CW would be one huge abuse. Abuse of life steal with dmg, abuse of control cause all others class have no real control, also abuse freezing opponents cause no other class has anything quite like it. But all of that is not abuse because cw is best aoe dmg dealer and control class. That is exactly same reason TR is supposed to have such a dmg. They are stealth based class which is naturally best for pvp. Same as mage, in this game CW is naturally best class for pve. These classes are specialized in these factors. So next time you will try to amuse others with these examples of ,,abusing'' think about CW control and aoe dmg+lifesteal.

    Hopefully this clarifies things to help you understand my point. My point was, it is abuse because it is an imbalanced mechanic that resulted from their inability to effectively test/analyze the outcomes of the changes that they are making to the rogue. I do not believe it is an intentional synergy between the skills/feats that they wanted to have for rogues. Also, this is strictly a PvP point. I am sure its capabilities are balanced for PvE where much more damage is needed from rogues. I am not here to amuse people, I am here to be analytical of the game and better understand it, (particularly for rogues), by collaborating via the forums. Thank you for your heart warming words though.
    k9madrush wrote: »
    I agree, some people are just afraid there will be someone out there who will stop them from abusing so before that happens they destroy it for good. I'm pretty sure a lot of people are trying their best to mess up TR because they are COWARDS!

    I feel you simply did not like the stance I took with regards to wanting to hide the synergy of the skills/feats that you decided to blindly agree with the next post that took any stance against mine. Unless I misinterpreted, the post you "agreed" with was merely saying it shouldn't be considered abuse if it is a mechanic they implemented. In no way were they attempting to say anything negative about me or the rogue class in general. It seems you simply have some unjustified hate for rogue players in general and wanted to vent.


    This is just what I am gathering from both of your posts. To be honest I have a very hard time interpreting what ideas you guys are trying to communicate and the intention behind your posts. Nevertheless, I hope this clears things up for you.
  • crusherbeastcrusherbeast Member Posts: 426 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    godlysoul2 wrote: »
    Hopefully this clarifies things to help you understand my point. My point was, it is abuse because it is an imbalanced mechanic that resulted from their inability to effectively test/analyze the outcomes of the changes that they are making to the rogue. I do not believe it is an intentional synergy between the skills/feats that they wanted to have for rogues. Also, this is strictly a PvP point. I am sure its capabilities are balanced for PvE where much more damage is needed from rogues. I am not here to amuse people, I am here to be analytical of the game and better understand it, (particularly for rogues), by collaborating via the forums. Thank you for your heart warming words though.



    I feel you simply did not like the stance I took with regards to wanting to hide the synergy of the skills/feats that you decided to blindly agree with the next post that took any stance against mine. Unless I misinterpreted, the post you "agreed" with was merely saying it shouldn't be considered abuse if it is a mechanic they implemented. In no way were they attempting to say anything negative about me or the rogue class in general. It seems you simply have some unjustified hate for rogue players in general and wanted to vent.


    This is just what I am gathering from both of your posts. To be honest I have a very hard time interpreting what ideas you guys are trying to communicate and the intention behind your posts. Nevertheless, I hope this clears things up for you.

    The intention is very simple. You neglect perceiving how other classes abuse their skills which makes them not killable in pvp. TR was a victim of 2 last mods. In mod 3 no chance to kill HR/GWF. In this mod we can eventually kill same geared GWF/DC. Now that they are trying to make TR viable again, and you said before you are not coming back to game, and yet you are trying to say that TR would abuse anything? This is simply making chaos. Every class will use what they are given, devs are there to balance it. CW are abusing spellstorm, HR are abusing piercing blade, GWF were abusing roar. Where were you then when entire mod 3 pvp was not doable due to roar? ENTIRE mod in pvp was lost because they could not fix that power... And now in this mod cw has many skills to destroy TR and we have nothing to harm them if they use all their skills well. Also CW has the best single target dmg, the best aoe dmg and the best control. And yet you come on TR forum and say about abusing things which are not even in live server? That is so unfair. Neglecting fact that now people can make one class for both pve/pvp and you come with your abusing skills of class which has no place right now neither in pvp or pve. If they will get place it's at most 1 place for 5 slots in pvp when we are stealth class and in any other balanced mmo rogue would be important. In this one rogue means nearly nothing except for trying to survive on the node against HR against which TR has no chance to harm(on equal gear).
    Tairev-TR(All kind of killing tools)
    Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
    Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    godlysoul2 wrote: »
    This is just what I am gathering from both of your posts. To be honest I have a very hard time interpreting what ideas you guys are trying to communicate and the intention behind your posts. Nevertheless, I hope this clears things up for you.

    They don't have any ideas. They only have a single-minded agenda which is "let me perma, and also do 1-shot damage".

    Hence, anyone that even slightestly hints that the current Gloaming-Cut centered pseudo-perma with Executioner tree 1shot capability might be too OP and should be tweaked before making it to live, they will bite on.

    Watch your tush, godly. They leave bitemarks.
    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    kweassa wrote: »
    Hence, anyone that even slightestly hints that the current Gloaming-Cut centered pseudo-perma with Executioner tree 1shot capability might be too OP and should be tweaked before making it to live, they will bite on.
    Bear in mind the 1-shot is literally that - one chance right at the start of combat, assuming you slotted First Strike instead of a more useful choice and the target doesn't deflect the hit. Or have really high DR. It's great on target dummies though.

    The GC-centered Sab build focussed on PotB, WR, and Bloodbath has far more sustained deadliness IMO.
    Jenna Sunsoul - Justice Tankadin
    Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
    Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
    Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
    Darquess - Soulbinder
  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Bear in mind the 1-shot is literally that - one chance right at the start of combat, assuming you slotted First Strike instead of a more useful choice and the target doesn't deflect the hit. Or have really high DR. It's great on target dummies though.

    The GC-centered Sab build focussed on PotB, WR, and Bloodbath has far more sustained deadliness IMO.

    Indeed.

    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
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