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CW powers' AoE classification inconsistent
bajornorbert
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 272 Arc User
Last night i've done some testing to find out which powers are affected by Wizard's Wrath & Focused Wizardry and i've found a huge inconsistency in AoE classification of powers.
I haven't tested all powers, just the most commonly used ones.
Glossary:
+ : Damage buffed by feat
- : Damage debuffed by feat
N/A : Damage not affected by feat
Results:
Wizard's Wrath
Magic Missile
N/A
Chilling Cloud (1st, 2nd hit)
N/A
Scorching Burst
N/A
Conduit of Ice
N/A
Icy Terrain
N/A
Steal Time
+
Sudden Storm
N/A
Fanning the Flames
N/A
Arcane Singularity
N/A
Oppressive Force
N/A
Furious Immolation
N/A
Focused Wizardry
Magic Missile
+
Chilling Cloud (1st, 2nd hit)
+
Chilling Cloud (3rd hit)
-
Scorching Burst
+
Conduit of Ice
-
Icy Terrain
-
Steal Time
-
Sudden Storm
-
Fanning the Flames (Tabbed & not tabbed)
+
Arcane Singularity
-
Oppressive Force
-
Furious Immolation
-
Ice Knife
+
Storm Spell *
-
As you can see FW works correctly, debuffing every AoE power while buffing single target powers, the only exception is tabbed FtF and Storm Spell. WW on the other hand only only affects ST. AoE dailies, AoE DoTs are not buffed by WW, even though FW debuffs those powers also.
* Storm Spell was pretty interesting. I've tested it by hitting dummies for 4 minutes, with ACT running, w/ and w/o FW. With FW, the minimum, average and median hits were lower, but the max damage was higher. The only difference between the 2 parses was that in the first parse i had 3 points in FW, while in the second 0 points. If i had to guess, i'd say that the classification of SS depends on the power that triggered it, so if it was triggered by a single target power it's considered single target, if it was triggered by an AoE power, it's considered AoE. This requires more testing.
I will update this post as i have time to do more testing.
I haven't tested all powers, just the most commonly used ones.
Glossary:
+ : Damage buffed by feat
- : Damage debuffed by feat
N/A : Damage not affected by feat
Results:
Wizard's Wrath
Magic Missile
N/A
Chilling Cloud (1st, 2nd hit)
N/A
Scorching Burst
N/A
Conduit of Ice
N/A
Icy Terrain
N/A
Steal Time
+
Sudden Storm
N/A
Fanning the Flames
N/A
Arcane Singularity
N/A
Oppressive Force
N/A
Furious Immolation
N/A
Focused Wizardry
Magic Missile
+
Chilling Cloud (1st, 2nd hit)
+
Chilling Cloud (3rd hit)
-
Scorching Burst
+
Conduit of Ice
-
Icy Terrain
-
Steal Time
-
Sudden Storm
-
Fanning the Flames (Tabbed & not tabbed)
+
Arcane Singularity
-
Oppressive Force
-
Furious Immolation
-
Ice Knife
+
Storm Spell *
-
As you can see FW works correctly, debuffing every AoE power while buffing single target powers, the only exception is tabbed FtF and Storm Spell. WW on the other hand only only affects ST. AoE dailies, AoE DoTs are not buffed by WW, even though FW debuffs those powers also.
* Storm Spell was pretty interesting. I've tested it by hitting dummies for 4 minutes, with ACT running, w/ and w/o FW. With FW, the minimum, average and median hits were lower, but the max damage was higher. The only difference between the 2 parses was that in the first parse i had 3 points in FW, while in the second 0 points. If i had to guess, i'd say that the classification of SS depends on the power that triggered it, so if it was triggered by a single target power it's considered single target, if it was triggered by an AoE power, it's considered AoE. This requires more testing.
I will update this post as i have time to do more testing.
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This was also my observation when using SS, and I remember other players talking about this earlier in M4. SS will include the FW boost if triggered by a single target power and will include the FW reduction if by AoE, which may or may not be WAI.
Is it possible that you didn't notice WW on many AoEs due to it being such a small boost at 3% and the general variability of encounter damage?
In theory you could stand at the dummy and cast an AoE X times without WW, then feat WW and repeat X times with the same AoE and should see a 3% increase in the total damage if WW is working. The only issue I see is that it could take a very long time for that small 3% to eventually shine through.
Posting your ACT results would be a great way to substantiate what you've said here -- thank you for testing!
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The Wizard's Wrath buff shows up in the tooltip, so you can clearly see which power is affected by it and which isn't. The only thing that needs to be tested in combat in regards to WW, is the 3rd hit of Chilling Cloud, since that's the only AoE, that's why i didn't include that in the first list. Every feat that's a +/-% dmg shows up in the tooltip, including INT dmg %.
Edit (ACT/Build):
Focused Wizardry 3/3
Focused Wizardry 0/3
ACT parser v1.2.2.1
I've included a link to the ACT parser since i'm using a newer version (downloaded form GitHub) and the older version may have problems parsing the logs.
Feats: http://nwcalc.com/cw?b=cn4:13ydj4:13ydj4,13e3id3:100000:100000:100000&h=0&p=ssm
Encounters: CoI on tab, ST, Sudden Storm, IT
Passives: Storm Spell, EotS
At-will: CC
Daily: OpForce
Rotation: none, just fire encounters as soon as they're off cooldown, daily when ready, at-will while waiting for cooldowns.
Edit 2:
ACT screenshots for those of you who don't have ACT.
Focused Wizardry 3/3
Focused Wizardry 0/3
An example:
Before adding WW, my Oppressive Force is shown to do 4128-4909 damage.
After adding 3 points in WW, my Oppressive Force still shows the same, 4128-4909 damage.
In contrast to this:
Before adding WW, my Steal Time is shown to do 2972-3534 damage.
After adding 3 points in WW, my Steal Time shows 3061-3640 damage.
3% of the lowest damage of 2972 is 89.16, so adding 2972 + 89.16, we get 3061, which is correct.
Another one that shows correctly is Ice Storm.
Before adding WW, my Ice Storm is shown to do 4663-5545 damage.
After adding 3 points in WW, my Ice Storm shows 4803-5711 damage.
3% of the lowest damage of 4663 is 139.89, so adding 4663 + 139.89, we get 4802.89, which rounded up is 4803.
This test is easy to replicate:
Just go to the preview server, respec, take screenshots of all the tooltips of the AOE skills (Steal Time, Conduit, Icy Terrain, etc). Then add 3 points into the Wizard's Wrath feat, and take another set of screenshots. You'll notice the same issue as we did.
Can we please get an official response to this please? This is very disappointing and worrying, as WW (a basic +3% damage to AOE skills) is broken, it makes me wonder if all the other damage increasing skills are bugged too .....
Arcane Enhancement is bugged too, you can test it the same way as you test WW. It doesn't affect dailies. Tested it when i've tested the WW & FW, just haven't made another bug report for it. That one only affected Magic Missile & Steal Time.
When i dropped 3 points in LS for 3 points in FW, my smolder damage went up about 20% (average, multiple runs, solo as to not have confounders). I concluded smolder is affected by FW. If it was like SS - by the power that triggered it - then i wouldn't have seen so much of an increase.
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know
CW heroic feats are good, but the tooltips aren't very accurate.
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know