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Warlocks vs Control Wizards (PvP)
ashkher
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First of all: this is not a nerf cry. I have some problems with countering Control Wizards as a Scourge Warlock and I'm honestly asking for a tactical advice. I'm aware of their current reputation, but I don't care - I want to share some experiences and learn how to best deal with them as they are now. Wheter they get nerfed in the future is inconsequential.
For now, I've concluded there are two things I can do to make defeating a CW in 1vs1 combat a possibility:
1. Land a harrowstorm surge on them. Problem is, I first need to land normal harrowstorm, with its long-*** animation, then surge it. It takes a lot of time, esspecially when many CW CC abilities are faster and require no such setup. Both harrowstorm and its surge can also be dodged.
2. Bait them into burning one of their CC skills on my shadow slip. It requires some training but it's possible. I found it easier to do once I switched shadow slip to one of my additional mouse buttons (shift is a bit clunkier to use for me).
If I can't do one or both of these things (both are very much prefered), I'm pretty much toast the moment they land their first skill on me. I may just as well go make myself a coffee, because I won't get a single mili-second when I'm not freezed, entagled or otherwise controled.
So, how do my fellow warlocks deal with them?
(and: do they? :P)
For now, I've concluded there are two things I can do to make defeating a CW in 1vs1 combat a possibility:
1. Land a harrowstorm surge on them. Problem is, I first need to land normal harrowstorm, with its long-*** animation, then surge it. It takes a lot of time, esspecially when many CW CC abilities are faster and require no such setup. Both harrowstorm and its surge can also be dodged.
2. Bait them into burning one of their CC skills on my shadow slip. It requires some training but it's possible. I found it easier to do once I switched shadow slip to one of my additional mouse buttons (shift is a bit clunkier to use for me).
If I can't do one or both of these things (both are very much prefered), I'm pretty much toast the moment they land their first skill on me. I may just as well go make myself a coffee, because I won't get a single mili-second when I'm not freezed, entagled or otherwise controled.
So, how do my fellow warlocks deal with them?
(and: do they? :P)
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I have had the most luck as a really inappropriate Fury with VE, Harrowstorm, Curse and then Killing Flames just as they hit the ground. With a bit of luck, their health will be low enough that the Killing Flames will really hurt, and they will die from DoTs shortly after. However, as you point out, a really good CW is no joke, and you'll probably get locked down and stomped. Shadow slipping like a coward to break line of sight is sometimes a good option if it's possible, too.
A really good PvP CW will normally stomp me in seconds. The sorts of random morons who jump you while you're doing IWD dailies, on the other hand, can usually be killed and eaten
Using Shadow Slip to break line of sight can be a neat trick depending on environment, true. I actually often just slip away and come back from a different direction a few seconds later. Cowardly or not, I don't care - I'm just using my class's strenghts and warlocks are supposed to be deceitful after all :P
Another thing I've found to be quite useful is hiding behind your soul puppet - mostly for Damnation, though. Aim assist in Neverwinter, coupled with fast pace, can make it a real pain in the A to target who you want to get. Many entangling forces and icy rays have been wasted on my poor, wraithy companion ^^ (when I had one
Thanks for the input
I think we all not what you mean but trust us there are some very good CWs out there. It's got harder to distinguish them from the rest of the pack sure, but they are there.
Back on topic, if you are lucky enough to be up against a less experienced CW then you just need to be able to predict their rotation and since most seem to open with Enfeebling Force make sure you shadow slip this. I've found that means shifting before they start to cast it as otherwise it's too late - shadow slip has a long wind up to the CC immunity. Unfortunately, even if you Immune the CC expect to lose a chunk of health to Storm Spell and Assailant procs anyway but at least you have some time to act.
Dot them up, get them on their backs, hit them with a hard KF and get right up in their faces - a lot wont know what hit them and are starting to panic - and keep hitting and moving. The experienced ones have left you dead already anyway.
Line of sighting them, using your puppet to interfere with targeting, getting out of range can all help, but ultimately they need to be dealt with as a priority.
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Yup, it's almost an insta-cast which is rare for us