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I am having trouble to understand why still we dont have "Power Bar Swapping"
slarinn
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 3 Arc User
Seriously. Help me to understand please. And write your thoughts. I believe it is extremely needed and so simple to add extra power bars.
Forwhy, we use our characters in different places. For example with my GWF, I do AoE damage in dungeons, on single targets (like valindra) I use different powers. In pvp I change my Active powers everytime.
For CW even worse. You have to change whole power bar everytime you do different activities. Its annoying and time consuming. Until Valindra you do AoE dps and control, at Valindra you change all powers. If you decide to do some pvp after Valindra you change whole bar again. Then If you want to do some daily quests you of coure change again and so on.
Only for that reason sometimes I skip some activities, or go with current powers which is boring and annoying.
I might see what is your concern. You probably afraid to give players more powers at a time. If we use our powers after they cooldown we swap bar and continue. But we cant. For this, there is simple solution too. For example give us 4-5 power bars and put cooldown on swapping powerbars. (like 30 sec, 1-2 min maybe) and also when we use our powers put cooldowns to other powers too (which in other bar).
I see this power bar swapping almost every MMORPG I played. Even in very old games. And again, I dont understand why we dont have in Neverwinter. I am surely know that if you add bar swapping, you're gonna make happy a lot of players. And make game much easy to play.
Sorry if my English bad.
Forwhy, we use our characters in different places. For example with my GWF, I do AoE damage in dungeons, on single targets (like valindra) I use different powers. In pvp I change my Active powers everytime.
For CW even worse. You have to change whole power bar everytime you do different activities. Its annoying and time consuming. Until Valindra you do AoE dps and control, at Valindra you change all powers. If you decide to do some pvp after Valindra you change whole bar again. Then If you want to do some daily quests you of coure change again and so on.
Only for that reason sometimes I skip some activities, or go with current powers which is boring and annoying.
I might see what is your concern. You probably afraid to give players more powers at a time. If we use our powers after they cooldown we swap bar and continue. But we cant. For this, there is simple solution too. For example give us 4-5 power bars and put cooldown on swapping powerbars. (like 30 sec, 1-2 min maybe) and also when we use our powers put cooldowns to other powers too (which in other bar).
I see this power bar swapping almost every MMORPG I played. Even in very old games. And again, I dont understand why we dont have in Neverwinter. I am surely know that if you add bar swapping, you're gonna make happy a lot of players. And make game much easy to play.
Sorry if my English bad.
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I mostly miss it when pugging. In pugs you don't really know what's the group gonna be like, are they team players, do they have gazillion wererat thieves summoned. There's no point in even having some powers (looking at you, rain of arrows) slotted when mobs are kicked all over the place and I'd like to switch my tiny aoe out for some single target power to avoid the frustration. It's tedious having to swap powers each skirmish run and mostly you don't even have time for that because your party would be halfway through the skirmish by the time you finish.
All that being said, I do fully support the idea presented here. We should have something that allows us to switch between preset ability loadouts at the click of a button. Make us pay AD for the unlock beyond the first one, but it needs to be in game.
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depends on the situation obviously.
this morning during skirmish hour we finished our last run in 2 sec prior closing time-gate - pure luck. i was on cw and simply skipped power-changing stuff. you know, besides 4 encounters, 1 daily, i also swap potions/pets/some jewelry..so power changing bars would definitely be utterly useful for my cw. on the other hand as a sw i change literally just 1 power and i'm ready to boss fight lol
tho i highly doubt they could implement this thing anytime soon..
For me it's often 4 armour pieces, jewelry, artifacts (which is active if nothing else) - going from PVE to PVP, sometimes pet, sometimes main/off hand then powers, dailies and class features. and changing powers and class features again at boss fights/for different situations.
But everyone's needs are different.
Would be great to be able to switch. I imagine it on my CW, I'd have a setup for bosses and another for everything else. I'm sure people that PvP a lot would like to have one for PvP and one for PvE.
Skills starting off on cooldown when switched and a cooldown on the power bar swap itself fixes any issues with this being abusive. I see no downside to this. Other than the development time it would take to add. They could offset that by selling the bars. Give everyone 2, then let them buy 3 and 4 for Zen.
I don't see your point. You say it is not required and then It would be nice to have. There is no priority list which you should suggest according to list. Of course there are a lot of things to do, so should we wait to suggest an idea until they all fixed? Also why I think it should be done? Becouse as I said, I believe it is simple to add and make much more easier to play. I am not a programmer or designer though but if players can do such a little change in HUD in open source MMO games, how could be hard for Neverwinter devs? It is not about me refusing "15 seconds" to swap bar. Don't make it like it is only about my lazzyness,
I'd like to see more than just 3 skill icons on the screen ,because i change the powers in dungeons and normal PVE dailies kills.
As guardian fighter i don't need to aggro specially the mobs to save party members, the mobs from a pack already comes to me when doing solo dailies.
I think they'll do something about it in the next future as long as they offer us already the chance to get extra skill points from overflow experience.
Definitely a must more than 3 icon slots.
Even in Star Trek Online you have more icon slots to use.
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You are assuming that the people/resources needed for changes you don't care about somehow relate to whatever "important stuff" you think needs to be prioritized. Game studios are run by professionals who can divide labor as needed without advice from us.
Odds are the people who would work on this kind of UI change have very little to do with the ones who fix bugs.
Honestly if I did it I'd have all powers start out on a long cooldown (15-30 seconds) when switched. And put a 2 minute cooldown on the switching ability itself. Just to ensure its not used to spam extra powers.
All that said... I hope they add this.
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ROFL... Very true, but players have been asking for this for a long time.
Consider this a +1 for at least one additional power setup. I'd even be ok with it if it had to be done at a campfire / portable altar. Just make it a bit easier than having to swap out each power individually.
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unfortunately with ToD it became as described: small quest task - aoe setup, dragon fight - single target, moving to next zone - repeat..
that's one of the reason i've started missing days and quests..
tho it's not absolutely necessary it'd be more than convenient for the whole playerbase..
that's a great improvement indeed.
Past few weeks I've been helping a friend grind VT 2/2 as she wanted the Dread armor which is a rare drop from Val. We form quite high tier parties so we usually finish VT in about 15mins. And then go again for another run right away. That's 10 mins to get to Val and 5 mins to kill her. And we're both always switching 5 powers around in the process. Before mod4 that used to be six powers actually.
Yes it indeed does get insanely tedious.
I would very much appreciate being able to slot two gear sets that can be toggled back and forth as well as at least two power bar setups that can likewise be toggled
Here's a reason. As a CW, I usually run AoE setup except in PvP. So, yes, if I'm going into PvP, I can easily manually change my powers.
However, some bosses require AoE some I DPS and in some cases, being able to do both would be preferable throughout the course of the fight. During the boss fight, it's hard if not impossible (certainly impractical) to switch your powers up and having a switchable power bar would be very very useful.
That said... this is an RPG after all, and D&D no less. Gear changes and power bar changes are sort of akin to memorizing spells and... not sure if you can REALLY change your armor in 1 second... So, there is an in-character aspect to not allowing it to be practical to reset your characters build and gear while in the middle of a fight. And making it so you can't toggle such things while ACTUALLY fighting sort of defeats the purpose, right? Since you can always just stop for 10 seconds or so and realign your toon as needed if you're not actually fighting anyway.
So, I agree: Not really a needed part of the game, but would be very useful quality-of-life enhancement. I wouldn't make it a priority one though.
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