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vsanddd
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Before I start my list, I'd like to mention I have all classes level 60 except GF and SW. My PvP characters are TR/HR/DC.
My PvE characters are my CW/GWF/DC. My GF/SW are only used to pray and do professions at the moment. I won't be talking about GF, GWF, SW because I feel like I don't know enough about them in PvP and these suggestions are intended to balance PvP.
Control Wizard:
Storm Spell - Either needs to do half the damage it currently does or reverted to the way it was before mod 4. Why? because it makes up roughly 30-40% of a CWs damage. There's no reason to replace it with a different passive no matter what the situation is. Passive damage shouldn't be the majority of their damage. Remember old deep gash? Storm spell is similar to how that used to be.
Orb of Imposition - Should require an Oppressor feat (at least t3) to be as strong as it currently is and needs to be toned down to 10% (?) per rank maybe so 30% control bonus at rank 3 if not feated for it. Why? because CWs who spec for damage shouldn't be able to slot a passive to have the best of both worlds. They should either excel at control and do decent damage or excel at damage and do decent control.
Shard of Endless Avalanche - Damage should be increased by at least 30% (prone time toned down though if it's damage is buffed). Why? because right now there's almost no reason to use this in PvE or PvP. It's our highest level power and it takes skill (timing and positioning) to use in PvP so you should be rewarded with high damage.
Hunter Ranger:
Piercing Blade - Should be able to be resisted in PvP. Why? because consistent non-resistable damage causes a lot of other powers/mechanics to become less useful such as Impossible to Catch, Astral Shield and Unstoppable. Everything should be resistable in my opinion unless it requires a specific situation to happen (like Shocking Execution requires you to have a daily ready and for the target to be low hit points for it to be effective).
Disruptive Shot - Should not go through CC immunity such as Impossible to Catch, unless this is intended then put it in the description (like Courage Breaker specifically says so in the tooltip).
Devoted Cleric:
I know you aren't planning to rework Clerics until Mod 5, but these small changes could help a lot:
Healing Depression - Should not affect the healing that comes from the Cleric (or at least not as much). Why? because along with Mod 4 came damage increases to the Control Wizard, Hunter Ranger, and Guardian Fighter. However, we did not get any increase to our survivability or healing. We are meant to survive to heal allies, but they are now considered the weakest class in PvP by far in my opinion.
Wisdom - Should give Clerics 2% Control Resist per point after 10 Wisdom (similar to how Guardian Fighters gain 4% hit points per point for Con). Why? because Clerics need some extra resistance to CC to be able to heal effectively in PvP. Also, I'd like this for the same reason above; other classes had their damage increased.
Trickster Rogue:
A lot needs to be done to this class so I'm not sure if it should even be touched until mod 5, but here's some of my thoughts:
Stealth - This mechanic should not be changed. Why? it works fine how it is, just not-as-stealthy builds need to be viable.
Bait and Switch - Should not refill stealth meter. Why? because it will make it difficult to stay stealthed 100% of the time. Without bait and switch refilling stealth, rogues can't afford to make mistakes if they just want to hold the point. Not sure what it should do instead, but it shouldn't fill stealth. Shadow strike should stay as is though as it's the only reliable way to gain stealth back while in combat.
Lashing Blade and Impact Shot - should become viable again for more damage oriented builds.
Feat Paths - If you rework these like you did with other classes, then I think the Saboteur should be the stealthy/survival path. Executioner should stay the crit damage path (could still buff or rework some feats, just keep the basic concept the same). Scoundrel could be an alternate damage path (extra action point gain and/or a buff to at-will dmg instead of crit severity/chance increases) or utility/support path, not sure.
What do you think? Are my suggestions reasonable?
My PvE characters are my CW/GWF/DC. My GF/SW are only used to pray and do professions at the moment. I won't be talking about GF, GWF, SW because I feel like I don't know enough about them in PvP and these suggestions are intended to balance PvP.
Control Wizard:
Storm Spell - Either needs to do half the damage it currently does or reverted to the way it was before mod 4. Why? because it makes up roughly 30-40% of a CWs damage. There's no reason to replace it with a different passive no matter what the situation is. Passive damage shouldn't be the majority of their damage. Remember old deep gash? Storm spell is similar to how that used to be.
Orb of Imposition - Should require an Oppressor feat (at least t3) to be as strong as it currently is and needs to be toned down to 10% (?) per rank maybe so 30% control bonus at rank 3 if not feated for it. Why? because CWs who spec for damage shouldn't be able to slot a passive to have the best of both worlds. They should either excel at control and do decent damage or excel at damage and do decent control.
Shard of Endless Avalanche - Damage should be increased by at least 30% (prone time toned down though if it's damage is buffed). Why? because right now there's almost no reason to use this in PvE or PvP. It's our highest level power and it takes skill (timing and positioning) to use in PvP so you should be rewarded with high damage.
Hunter Ranger:
Piercing Blade - Should be able to be resisted in PvP. Why? because consistent non-resistable damage causes a lot of other powers/mechanics to become less useful such as Impossible to Catch, Astral Shield and Unstoppable. Everything should be resistable in my opinion unless it requires a specific situation to happen (like Shocking Execution requires you to have a daily ready and for the target to be low hit points for it to be effective).
Disruptive Shot - Should not go through CC immunity such as Impossible to Catch, unless this is intended then put it in the description (like Courage Breaker specifically says so in the tooltip).
Devoted Cleric:
I know you aren't planning to rework Clerics until Mod 5, but these small changes could help a lot:
Healing Depression - Should not affect the healing that comes from the Cleric (or at least not as much). Why? because along with Mod 4 came damage increases to the Control Wizard, Hunter Ranger, and Guardian Fighter. However, we did not get any increase to our survivability or healing. We are meant to survive to heal allies, but they are now considered the weakest class in PvP by far in my opinion.
Wisdom - Should give Clerics 2% Control Resist per point after 10 Wisdom (similar to how Guardian Fighters gain 4% hit points per point for Con). Why? because Clerics need some extra resistance to CC to be able to heal effectively in PvP. Also, I'd like this for the same reason above; other classes had their damage increased.
Trickster Rogue:
A lot needs to be done to this class so I'm not sure if it should even be touched until mod 5, but here's some of my thoughts:
Stealth - This mechanic should not be changed. Why? it works fine how it is, just not-as-stealthy builds need to be viable.
Bait and Switch - Should not refill stealth meter. Why? because it will make it difficult to stay stealthed 100% of the time. Without bait and switch refilling stealth, rogues can't afford to make mistakes if they just want to hold the point. Not sure what it should do instead, but it shouldn't fill stealth. Shadow strike should stay as is though as it's the only reliable way to gain stealth back while in combat.
Lashing Blade and Impact Shot - should become viable again for more damage oriented builds.
Feat Paths - If you rework these like you did with other classes, then I think the Saboteur should be the stealthy/survival path. Executioner should stay the crit damage path (could still buff or rework some feats, just keep the basic concept the same). Scoundrel could be an alternate damage path (extra action point gain and/or a buff to at-will dmg instead of crit severity/chance increases) or utility/support path, not sure.
What do you think? Are my suggestions reasonable?
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give shadow strike 10ft more range aswell as making it dodgeable (doesnt refill stealth if dodged)
those 2 would steer people away from the low damage perma stealth builds in favor of more damage builds because they would have actual damage on some of their encounters while also making it a bit harder to stay perma stealth
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HR should do more damage than a CW, in my opinion, since they don't add much utility to the party at all, unlike CW who has the best PvE control over any other class. They shouldn't have both massive damage and massive control. The upcoming possible freeze change might fix that, but who knows for sure without testing whether or not its overkill.
Hmm, I'm not sure TRs need an alternative way to survive. Not using stealth on a TR is like not using unstoppable on a GWF. I could maybe see WK TRs needing a CC break or something, but if they give us enough DPS for sacrificing some stealth time then I think TRs will be fine. If you want more survivability, you have to give up DPS for stealth (or at least that's how it should be). We also have 75% deflect severity unlike any other class (others have 50%) so that helps if you stack deflect (although I'd recommend slotting for hit points and just finding gear with a combo of hit points and deflect). Stealth is our tab power so it should contribute a lot towards our survivability in my opinion.
I've met some Warlocks who deal some nice damage and are valuable to the team even though they can't survive anywhere near as long as a rogue. So I don't think TRs need an alternative way to survive as long as they rework the feats correctly.
I definitely agree with most of what you're saying, especially with DCs! Getting hit by the fact that our own heals heal ourselves for 40% less AND healing depression is just nasty when other classes have been given so much burst damage. Without a CC break, we need a reasonable amount of self-healing.
Good input for the other classes as well.
I completely agree with your post and what needs to be changed, and to go along with it, either reduce the stun time on GWF encounters and or give them back a prone.
Also for DC's a feat rework is really needed, considering they have 3 separate feats that give increased divinity gain, but what is the use of divinity if all of your self healing spells are 60% less effective on you anyway + dps clerics are non existant so divinity for dps skills is unneeded.
TRs- lashing blade isnt all that bad, its just that nowadays people have ALOT more DR + HP so it doesnt seem as effective, but what really needs to be changed is impact shot, it either needs to be reverted back to what it was, or increase the damage drastically and or increase the amount of shots you can throw.
HR- increase the cast time on disruptive shot so they cant instantly interrupt something, for example, a cw can be casting a chillstrike that takes 1.1s to cast. you can go through the animation completely and be at the .1s remaining and a HR can still interrupt it.
CW- just plainly needs to be reverted back to how it was mod3. relying completely on dot damage and SS proc's is a lame way to play a class, and i've been playing a cw since the games release for a year + 3 or so months now.
Disruptive Shot is not a CC effect. Why do you think it should be affected by CC resist?
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Also, as others have mentioned, healing depression needs to be reworked. I am pretty fine with our level of survivability, but I should be able to heal myself as easily as my allies.
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How the hell are you see GF as paingiver almost in every single dungeon they must use two skills KV and ITF .
So 1 encounter left ? Do you realy think GF do such a big dmg?
Man you not know anything about this class.
And you know nothing about D&D too.
Paladin have higher brust dmg then any wizard .
Barbarian with lucy crit can one hit kill anything .
Why wizard ar op? cuz he is ranged can buff her self and they team can manipulate elements summon monsters to aid him in combat summon fiendish creatures he can manipulate time and space .
Also he can create magical stuffs like weapons scrolls poitions armors artifacts.
But wizard in D&D is only half so op as cleric.
They role is not the dps they role is to steal make traps disarm traps search hidden doors find extra teasure open locks he is a full support.
And he can do some nasty back stab on weakly defended classes (like wizards socrerers warlocks bards)but he can even hit a good paladin or figther (defender).
Any way :"I don't know if any of you actually wore a plate mail once, but the thing is goddam heavy. You can't go bursting while wearing something like that, especially not when you're also carrying a shield which gives you at least another 5KG to carry on top of your plate mail. Nor are you able to perform at the max of you abilities all the time. You'll be exhausted after every few skills. Consistency and discipline is the way to go for a trained warrior who wants to live. "
If in real life somone cut your head with an axe i am 100% sure you are dead .
But if you try to freez a ful plate warrior with tiny ray of Liquid nitrogen mybe her helmet will be frozen but not her full body in 3 sec . Those helmets and armors are lined inside with chain and leather skins.
See the difference why knigths was succesfull where bandits and ruges died at they feet .
Simple 1 knigth cannot be kill with a little dagger not if he is not tyre enugh to show the stupid bandit her armors weak point.(and i think its the perfect example TR can kill GF but slowly cuz he must wait until her guard is down or her arm cannot raise back her shild (exhausted))
In the mean time the thug bandit ruge have zero armor or some leather jacket and no helmet .
Its more like this Train VS Mustang frontal.
Both can do dmg on a simple man (pretty sure big dmg )
But mustang have only her leather skin .
And trains made from iron.
And CW is a high general how can press buttons to launch rockets .
In the mean time we all know how powerfull are
what exactly do you mean by "to survive" because my little executioner tr survives just fine (and i rarely use stealth)... now if you mean to never die, then that is just not feasible everyone has to die in pvp or its not worth pvping. in my opinion if you are a perma tr, then you are giving up survivability in order to hide you cant have it both ways.
Sorry but you a wrong history tells this different .
The old europian knigths was undeafeated not just cuz they have horses but they have heavy full plate armor .
To break heavy armor you need propper tool like armor breaker weapons or cross bow what we dont have in NW .
And yepp i am a huge fan of knigths i play D&D from my 10 brith day so i play it too more then 20 years.
Also i have bow /crossbow /plate armor/ sword and shild on my wall and i know i can fight (untrained min 20 min ) in full gear this is depend on stamina if you are a weak freak you wont last 5 min.
You forget the lvl 3 quest where you can get a common wear when you are not in battle.
Spartans have much bigger and heavyer armor(they made it from bronze)then europian kingths they walked miles in it and after they fight in it.
Ofc if you are untrained you not know how to handle it and will be exhausted in a 10-20 mint too.
Anoter and better example Cortez VS Indians.
Breast plate + plate helm sword and gun vs nude-s with stick and blow-pipe. They wiped out almost all of them why becuze armor = advantaqe in nw full plated GF with shild have zero advantage cuz deflection is better.
In NW HR with 60% deflect and 30-35% dmr have higher chance to survive a canon blast then GF .
And deal twice as much dmg. This is realy unreal or TR steath ITC can even survie nuclear bomb. Both class are non magic user but they have better tool then GF . I dont understand you why you poke GF's and they DMG or see "if somone is heavy he cannot deal dmg " .
Tiger tank can deal dmg and he is heavy armored
This is bezrerker and barbarians(or GWFs) strategy move quick hit fast kill your pray as fast as y can .
Lion Bear and Badger are warriors .
Wolfs are those with different role 1 GF and 4 DPS
Tiger is more like a Hunter Ranger sneaky but he have zero fear becuse he kow he is a king of the jungle . Arogant like hell this is why he roar and walk gentle.
Tr shoud act like a panther(is the true assasin ) paitent wait the opportunity and "strike where the metal is weak".
That's actually a myth. First, Aztecs had armors (made of leather and cotton), that was in fact very good and many of Cortez' soldiers exchanged their own ones for those.
Indians had some interesting and deadly weapons. When you are saying "sticks" I assume you are talking about their wooden-obsidian swords, that were easy to break, but could chop a horse head off. Other nasty thing were slings, that could throw stones at the distance of ca 250 m.
European guns didn't give that much adventage, because 1.The bullet could fly much further, but the distance of shooting with enough accuracy was ca 20m. 2. You had to reload your gun after each shot, which took almost a minute, 3. If the gunpowder gets wet, you cannot shoot at all.
Horses also were not a factor there, since they hm... do not climb well.
Indians were doomed mostly because they were fighting among themselves. For example, local tribes joined Cortez to defeat Aztecs.
Sorry for off-topic, but I just couldn't help myself.
Well here in europe we learn different europian version of Cortez the conq .
Was 10 mybe 12 when i read and maked my dissertation from it but yes the sticks are woden swords. And they have deadly poisons too if i know rigth.
I am sure historians explored much more in those 20 years what have passed.
Thnx for enlighten me . Now i know more and i want to read the real version.
Yw. Actually, I forgot the most important factor - the germs. Some scholars estimate that even 90% of the native americans were killed by them before conquistadors even got there.
I also was taught that outdated version of history btw.
And now it's the end of off-topic, this time for real.
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Making Piercing Blade resistable shouldn't affect PvE because you can easily get the 24% resistance ignored from Arm pen + Str on the HR. It needs to be resistable in PvP because of the reasons stated in the original post.
Disruptive shot is a CC effect. According to http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Crowd_Control "Crowd Control is a term used to describe powers or effects that make their targets unable to use powers for a period of time." I honestly don't care that much if disruptive shot goes through CC immunity or not. I just want it to work as it's intended, which is up to the developers. So if it's working as intended they should put it in the tooltip that it goes through CC immunity, like Courage Breaker on the TR says, "... even if they're immune to control effects."