petestarksMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited September 2014
pitchforks and torches?
It would be just another thing that does not hurt the guilty and cripples the legit players. Why would someone care about eating 10% of their ill gotten AD just to move it around via the AH? Ask that same question to someone who worked months to barely get 300k AD
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
Not even a 10% AH cut, when the Zax isnt capped you can sell/buy within a few AD of each other. The cut is more like 1% when you do that, and its actual selling and buying to other people.
Simply disallow transfer of AD to alt characters through the exchange.
Will this result in more zen sales? More transaction through AH to catch exploiters stockpiling? More angry customers?
Always wondered what would happen if they did this.
Not sure how you think this would work. Zen is account-wide. Even if they did this it would just slow people down. Instead of just cancelling offers and withdrawing the AD... Players would wait for their AD to change into Zen before turning around and re-buying the AD on the character they want. It would be slower and more annoying. Especially with a backlog. But it wouldn't stop transferring.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited September 2014
Nothing would happen.
I have a farm of about 20 Leadership alts. If I couldn't move AD into the account balance I would either just exchange it directly for Zen and buy what I want, or just buy stuff I need of the AH and mail it to whatever character needs it. In fact, I generally do that anyway, instead of bothering with the exchange.
Your idea really doesn't change anything.
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doriangreighMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 707Arc User
edited September 2014
I am legit player, I work hard and play long hours (more than I should). I have 7 toons in total and frankly only 2 or 3 can generate AD through dungeons with consistency and ease without leadership (currently building up leadership on everyone). I would HATE this idea because its hard enough to earn legit AD, the most I have gotten I got from buying keys and selling what I got after the lock box was retired (quite profitable I admit if you can store and be patient for that long). However that money has to last me because i'm back to making maybe 5 - 24k AD per day if I have time to do that. Right now the only thing that is giving me AD is leadership on my main toon and running skirmishes during skirmish hour. You DON'T get rich doing that, its like what maybe 10k ad in an hour of playing?
I spend zen to buy things, the exchange is nice but i'm not spending hundreds of my hard earn dollars to feed the AD market when there are things I need to buy with zen, coal wards and apparently keys (although the keys for the new dungeons sound pretty pointless to buy, I had thought that buying that key had a guaranteed or at least higher chance at loot, not the same chance only a second stab at it).
I spend my money on sales or occasionally on coupon drops that are worth my while (not many are). So if I can't play my main most geared toon to earn AD for other toons I end up playing for actual fun that is like saying people shouldn't spend money on buying more character slots. Restricting AD trading between my own characters is a bad idea.
If you want a good idea, many of those people you are talking about actually trade on accounts not characters on the same account if you want to inhibit that put a cap on the selling value of items on the AH. They won't do that either but frankly that is what needs to happen, if someone wants a quick buck sell it cheap but don't go putting something up on AH for 10million because there are some handful of people that would buy it for that, you are basically contributing to money laundering doing that even if you aren't exploiting yourself.
Simply disallow transfer of AD to alt characters through the exchange.
Will this result in more zen sales? More transaction through AH to catch exploiters stockpiling? More angry customers?
Always wondered what would happen if they did this.
I'm so tired of people trying to come up with all sorts of reasons to make someone else seem like they aren't "legit" players. Have you seen the prices on the AH? I'm a legit player meaning I don't make millions buying it from a 3rd party website. So many people claim it's so easy to make AD. Not everyone thinks so. This game is very expensive. I've bought zen and what you get in return for selling that zen is not that much considering the inflated prices on the AH.
There are plenty of people buying from the zen market so excessive greed to subtly force people who like to grind for their AD off the game is a joke. They advertise as a free to play but it turns into pay to win. Coalescent wards are hard to get now and you can either dish out the ridiculous AH price or the zen.
So let's say I went the zen route and had enchantment rank 7 I wanted to get to rank 10 without using preservation wards. Zen price to make that happen? 30 bucks. For one enchantment! Now lets say I had 6 that I wanted to upgrade to rank 10 from rank 7. That is 180 dollars. Is it worth it?
So many people come in to say it's a free to play you have no right to express your opinion. Yet if you want dungeon invites and to actually feel like a valid player, you're going to be spending money so all this white knight "omg exploiters!" <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> is old.
What constitutes as legit? Is it allowed in the game? Then guess what! It's legit. It's not our duty as paying customers to create the environment the white knights believe it should be. So how about stop patronizing people that are figuring out ways to make AD without having to spend ridiculous amounts of real money to do it. I can assure you those people are also spending money on the game to open their lock boxes amongst other items.
Mounts are expensive through the zen market, the epic ones. Sure you can go to the AH and still spend ridiculous amounts but at least there is that option but I'm under the impression that the white knights of neverwinter would prefer that people spend 400 bucks per month.
Just get a grip and play the game your way. If you want to sit there and say "YEAH I RAN A DUNGEON and it was the way it should be!!! Oh look I made 8,000-15,000 astral diamonds by selling stuff the right way! Good on you. Now just leave other people alone who have come up with crafty methods that isn't really exploiting.
This would make the zen backlog even worse, because the only way to get AD to another character would be to use Zen, which would devalue AD even more. Millions upon millions of additional AD would be put up on the exchange just to transfer it to alts.
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chaoscourtesanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited September 2014
Got 14 chars, none are 'leadership alts,' and none 'farm' anything. They all play. The only thing this suggestion would accomplish for me is to add another annoying inconvenience.
(I also do not buy zen with AD, I buy zen with cash.)
The only time I ever transfer AD from one character to another, is when I want to make a green pet blue today rather than next week. That's an AD sink. So it would at best stall my usage of an intended AD sink.
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petestarksMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited September 2014
Leadership, grinding and even flipping zen on the AH are all 100% ways to make AD in most minds. What gets people upset and talking about "lucky players" is a scenario where a group of people have hoards of hypothetical AD from various "lucky" methods. These hypothetical people would then use their hypothetical riches to control the price of various resources on the AH for pure profit. Imagine if some people could buy up almost all of the artifact belts and hoard them? They could then slowly relist them setting the price artificially high because they control almost all of the supply. This would also affect legit players with belts because they are pricing based off an artificial price point... See where this is going?
But that is just a hypothetical and could never really happen...
Simply disallow transfer of AD to alt characters through the exchange.
Will this result in more zen sales? More transaction through AH to catch exploiters stockpiling? More angry customers?
Always wondered what would happen if they did this.
easy to get around this, buy items that have a set AD salvage amount, send to alt, alt salvages and then refines, AD sent. You just have to know the salvage value of certain items to not lose AD.
Or they can just make wards from zen store bop so people with zen stops making more AD by selling zen items in AH for a higher prize. This could also be applied on other items like companions, dyes, mounts etc.
Or they can just make wards from zen store bop so people with zen stops making more AD by selling zen items in AH for a higher prize. This could also be applied on other items like companions, dyes, mounts etc.
You realize that the ZAX ballooned to it's current titanic proportions right after they made keys and coals (both high volume zen trade items) BoP right?
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chemboy613Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,521Arc User
edited September 2014
Can't stand keys and coals BoP, makes me very very upset. It's harder to make AD now than it used to be, one of the reasons i took a break from the game, no good way to farm.
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It would be just another thing that does not hurt the guilty and cripples the legit players. Why would someone care about eating 10% of their ill gotten AD just to move it around via the AH? Ask that same question to someone who worked months to barely get 300k AD
Probably not much.
Not sure how you think this would work. Zen is account-wide. Even if they did this it would just slow people down. Instead of just cancelling offers and withdrawing the AD... Players would wait for their AD to change into Zen before turning around and re-buying the AD on the character they want. It would be slower and more annoying. Especially with a backlog. But it wouldn't stop transferring.
I have a farm of about 20 Leadership alts. If I couldn't move AD into the account balance I would either just exchange it directly for Zen and buy what I want, or just buy stuff I need of the AH and mail it to whatever character needs it. In fact, I generally do that anyway, instead of bothering with the exchange.
Your idea really doesn't change anything.
I spend zen to buy things, the exchange is nice but i'm not spending hundreds of my hard earn dollars to feed the AD market when there are things I need to buy with zen, coal wards and apparently keys (although the keys for the new dungeons sound pretty pointless to buy, I had thought that buying that key had a guaranteed or at least higher chance at loot, not the same chance only a second stab at it).
I spend my money on sales or occasionally on coupon drops that are worth my while (not many are). So if I can't play my main most geared toon to earn AD for other toons I end up playing for actual fun that is like saying people shouldn't spend money on buying more character slots. Restricting AD trading between my own characters is a bad idea.
If you want a good idea, many of those people you are talking about actually trade on accounts not characters on the same account if you want to inhibit that put a cap on the selling value of items on the AH. They won't do that either but frankly that is what needs to happen, if someone wants a quick buck sell it cheap but don't go putting something up on AH for 10million because there are some handful of people that would buy it for that, you are basically contributing to money laundering doing that even if you aren't exploiting yourself.
I'm so tired of people trying to come up with all sorts of reasons to make someone else seem like they aren't "legit" players. Have you seen the prices on the AH? I'm a legit player meaning I don't make millions buying it from a 3rd party website. So many people claim it's so easy to make AD. Not everyone thinks so. This game is very expensive. I've bought zen and what you get in return for selling that zen is not that much considering the inflated prices on the AH.
There are plenty of people buying from the zen market so excessive greed to subtly force people who like to grind for their AD off the game is a joke. They advertise as a free to play but it turns into pay to win. Coalescent wards are hard to get now and you can either dish out the ridiculous AH price or the zen.
So let's say I went the zen route and had enchantment rank 7 I wanted to get to rank 10 without using preservation wards. Zen price to make that happen? 30 bucks. For one enchantment! Now lets say I had 6 that I wanted to upgrade to rank 10 from rank 7. That is 180 dollars. Is it worth it?
So many people come in to say it's a free to play you have no right to express your opinion. Yet if you want dungeon invites and to actually feel like a valid player, you're going to be spending money so all this white knight "omg exploiters!" <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> is old.
What constitutes as legit? Is it allowed in the game? Then guess what! It's legit. It's not our duty as paying customers to create the environment the white knights believe it should be. So how about stop patronizing people that are figuring out ways to make AD without having to spend ridiculous amounts of real money to do it. I can assure you those people are also spending money on the game to open their lock boxes amongst other items.
Mounts are expensive through the zen market, the epic ones. Sure you can go to the AH and still spend ridiculous amounts but at least there is that option but I'm under the impression that the white knights of neverwinter would prefer that people spend 400 bucks per month.
Just get a grip and play the game your way. If you want to sit there and say "YEAH I RAN A DUNGEON and it was the way it should be!!! Oh look I made 8,000-15,000 astral diamonds by selling stuff the right way! Good on you. Now just leave other people alone who have come up with crafty methods that isn't really exploiting.
Thanks!
(I also do not buy zen with AD, I buy zen with cash.)
The only time I ever transfer AD from one character to another, is when I want to make a green pet blue today rather than next week. That's an AD sink. So it would at best stall my usage of an intended AD sink.
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But that is just a hypothetical and could never really happen...
easy to get around this, buy items that have a set AD salvage amount, send to alt, alt salvages and then refines, AD sent. You just have to know the salvage value of certain items to not lose AD.
You realize that the ZAX ballooned to it's current titanic proportions right after they made keys and coals (both high volume zen trade items) BoP right?
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