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Suggestion to fix PVE: CW abilities stop stacking
hamletswords
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
Ever since I've been playing (and it seems for long before as well), all anyone wants in a group is a CW. If they have a CW, they just want more. A group of 4 or 5 CWS is ideal.
Why? Because all of PVE is a DPS race with tons of controllable adds. CWs are great at AOE dps and control, so the more you have, the easier the run will be.
I suggest making it so CWs AOE abilities don't stack. If a CW uses steal time, and another uses it while the first is going (both the charging time and the stun duration), the 2nd will have no effect at all. None. Not even damage.
If a CW uses icy terrain on a spot where a different CW had, same thing. No effect. Wasted cooldown. Same thing with oppressive force, singularity etc.
This would mean that not only would CWs have to coordinate a bit better in the same party, but it would be advantageous to have other classes as well. The more CWs in the party, the less damage each CW will do (as they're bound to accidentally use a duplicate ability every once in awhile).
If you don't like this idea, do you at least agree that if content continues to be the way it is (DPS/add-fest), that there should be some kind of penalty for stacking CWs, so other classes will be wanted for parties, and if so what would be a good penalty for stacking and how would you implement it?
I don't know, maybe it's time they just put a CW limit on dungeons, say 2 per group.
Why? Because all of PVE is a DPS race with tons of controllable adds. CWs are great at AOE dps and control, so the more you have, the easier the run will be.
I suggest making it so CWs AOE abilities don't stack. If a CW uses steal time, and another uses it while the first is going (both the charging time and the stun duration), the 2nd will have no effect at all. None. Not even damage.
If a CW uses icy terrain on a spot where a different CW had, same thing. No effect. Wasted cooldown. Same thing with oppressive force, singularity etc.
This would mean that not only would CWs have to coordinate a bit better in the same party, but it would be advantageous to have other classes as well. The more CWs in the party, the less damage each CW will do (as they're bound to accidentally use a duplicate ability every once in awhile).
If you don't like this idea, do you at least agree that if content continues to be the way it is (DPS/add-fest), that there should be some kind of penalty for stacking CWs, so other classes will be wanted for parties, and if so what would be a good penalty for stacking and how would you implement it?
I don't know, maybe it's time they just put a CW limit on dungeons, say 2 per group.
My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
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Doing several VTs and CN yesterday, I haven't noticed only CWs parties. In fact I was running with GF, DC, HR, TR. And old set party (only CWs and GWFs) for CN failed. So it seams to me the changes applied are doing their job. People only need to stop thinking the old way.
Ironic comment given that this would realistically only kill the 'synergy' between multiple CWs and would in fact encourage a more diverse spread of classes in the endgame.
Of course given that the lack of success in rebalanced CWs, the most likely alternative is that Cryptic nerf CWs into the ground just as they already did to TRs, I am surprised that so many players seem opposed to this.
There are CN groups with 2 SWs, HR and GF now. You can left DCs home either for a temptation SW.
Tyrannical Threat and Dreadtheft are doing insane damage which CWs cannot really compete only vastly overgeared ones.
Hunters are doing more damage then CWs either if they are similarly geared.
It's like making every power be different for PvE and PvP. It's a drastic change that yells "I can't balance the powers so I'll separate them". I'm still surprised that they did allow that change to RoE become true.
I agree with the OP. It would gives much better diversity with the team comps etc.
Valencay, you could also be the only CW in the team, you wouldn't be useless. If there were 2 CW in the same build, then it would be the inviter's fault. It could also allow several CW in the same team to build differently.
i love rainbow parties and i always have fun if i'm the only cw in the party (this is what my build is ideal for, yet to try cn). also i'm sure that soon we will see a lot of GF/CW and 2-3 SW parties (or DC that's always welcome)
I am a CW and i prefer being the only CW in the party.