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mamoruk
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So this happens to me more often than i would like. I took a bit of a hiatus from Neverwinter and came back a while later so my gear has not kept up with the times. I have a GS of about 8500 which when i took a break was nothing to laugh at. Now that i've come back and try playing PVP again i keep getting put in matches against groups of people with GS's of 15k+ I usually end up getting killed off within about 3-5 seconds of a combat starting with me doing little to no damage against my opponent.
So my question to Cryptic would be how hard would it be to actually set up PVP to match up people with similar GS's so that PVP matches can actually be even and not having the low rank players getting absolutely slaughtered? I enjoy PVP and i want to continue to play it, but I see no point and its no fun if im guaranteed to end up getting slaughtered every time i step off the podium. Please do something about this. My last 3 matches my entire group just quit because 3/5 the five of us were only about 8-9k whereas the other team had a 14-16k average. I and everyone else who participates in this game wants to have fun, but we can't when the only thing we get is frustration do to being overwhelmingly outclassed.
So my question to Cryptic would be how hard would it be to actually set up PVP to match up people with similar GS's so that PVP matches can actually be even and not having the low rank players getting absolutely slaughtered? I enjoy PVP and i want to continue to play it, but I see no point and its no fun if im guaranteed to end up getting slaughtered every time i step off the podium. Please do something about this. My last 3 matches my entire group just quit because 3/5 the five of us were only about 8-9k whereas the other team had a 14-16k average. I and everyone else who participates in this game wants to have fun, but we can't when the only thing we get is frustration do to being overwhelmingly outclassed.
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That will simply not happen with this game's system
The harsh reality is: Gear up or don't queue
Unless they introduce brackets (8K vs 8K etc etc) then you'll suffer.
The real reason why this still hasn't happened is because all the people with the really high GS will have to wait a long time for a match. And making these people wait is no good, because these are the people that dropped a lot of money on the game. They are also usually younger people with a mild ADHD that would simply drop the game and never return thus no more money from them.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
8.5 GS was NEVER fine unless you were sub level 60. I mean even the bots have that...
The que problem is there aren't enough scrubs at this GS queuing so they cannot have multiple instances of 5v5 consisting of mostly 9k GS and below.
Spend around 15 minutes and improve your gear?
So in closing, don't que until you get some better enchants, and your boons, OR que up and get face stomped till you can buy some tenacity gear.
Sorry, but it's PvP man..... What do you expect?
Just do PvP dailys, skirmish dailys, all dailys and get campaign boons. I understand why you wouldn't want to do any of that because it is pretty far from what I would consider to be fun. Make sure to get an artifact and upgrade it as best as you can. And grab a good Armor enchant and weapon enchant.
LOL @ 15 minutes. You think someone new(or returning) with 8.5k GS can take 15 minutes out of their day and be at 14K? More like take 50 bucks out of your account.
It will take a while so be prepared for the grinds. Get those boons and enchants and maybe in like 2 or 3 weeks you will be around 12-13k GS. Unless you have a LOT of time to spend on this game then you could reach a better score quicker. I am going to assume though that you don't have a lot of extra time to sink in to a hobby like this.
Even when you get your gear score up, you will see that things are never equal. This games cash advantage is way too strong. Just play and have fun. When you aren't having fun any more just find something else. If you expect to catch up in gear score in any kind of relatively timely manner you should be prepared to pour countless Hours in to the game or a big healthy heap of cash.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
And i'm trying to do my dailies but i can't do my PVP ones because they require me to win. If i can't get on a decent enough team to win then i can't complete them.
This is how this game makes money, from people like you.
The game puts you in a situation that frustrates the hell out of you. PvP fun? Sure is, if you could ONLY play it with people at the same gear and skill. Well nope, that won't happen. You will get repeatedly put against geared people.
This is the moment where the developer hopes you are frustrated enough to spend money on Zen to shortcut the huge grind (hint: grinding alone won't put you on par with the cashers).
I wouldn't bother if I were you to be honest, unless you're prepared to spend, and spend BIG TIME. Money, and/or time as well.
As for the few players that have already bought their way to the top, why would the devs care at that point if they stopped because they already have the money they got out of them. Just saying, cater to your majority rather than the 5-10% that have already made it.
It's not really how it works.
You need AD, lots of it, to purchase Refining Points for:
- Enchantments
- Artifacts
- Artifact Weapon/Belt
While you can purchase RP from the Zen Store, it's cheaper to buy from the people that farm the stuff, in the AH.
How can you make AD fast? Farming it takes FOREVER, think MONTHS, and you won't get to max gear level at all.
You buy Zen with real money. You sell Zen for AD on the Exchange. You buy items and RP, refine at your heart will.
+1000 to the guy that understands this stuff. It is the same reason that the RNG isn't the same for each player for important items
You won't get it to happen. They implemented an ELO based system which is not properly functional due to low game population.
The gear is NOT what separates people in this game. Gear is quite easy to get with very few exceptions, where the RNG of the drop can drive one insane.
What separates people is Refining, as I mentioned above.
- rank 10 enchantments
- legendary artifacts, belt, weapon later on
You can go by with r9s and epics in PvP and be relatively successful (these you can achieve by farming for months and selling the BoE gear/playing the AH smartly), but being at a continuous disadvantage against those that have better gear is still not fun.
only 10-20% of population doing pvp dominions
atm if you queue you need to wait like 1 min below or above to pop the queue icon
if they make the pvp system like 5v5 of 8k gs, 5v5 of 10kgs etc i guess you need to wait an hr then to start the pvp
To me the leader board is meaningless as you cant class a 17k+ team that goes up against a 10k to 13k team as a winning team its not a fight but a slaughter.
Ive been on both sides pvp matchmaking is pretty bad and no fun if you slaughter or are slaughtered its much more fun when you are neck and neck all the way to the finnish.
I'd reset the leader board and match at GS level with kills/deaths/wins and loses taken into consideration too.
I see people who hate Pvp and say they wont do it again because they get into a match only to be set up on by a bully because they havent got a good gs, needless to say I put the bully in his place and encourage the low gs player and on a few occasions have bought the low gs player full purple sets of gear using all my hard earned ad which then I have to re earn for weeks grinding but its worth it.
And NO dont pm me and ask for gear I don't have PM enabled and can spot a piddle taker from Mars, I see you.........O-O
Yeah so please fix matchmaking to make it more fair.
Thanks Cryptic fellows and lasses
A boxing match is 2 guys the same size with the same gloves punching to see who the best boxer is for 12 rounds or less. If boxing was like Neverwinter the first guy could have a 100 pounds on the other guy and knuckledusters and people would say the second guy should have roided up and brought a gun.
If chess was like Neverwinter you would have to buy the pieces and your opponent can start with more of them than you, you wan't a rook? That'll be 25 bucks. Thanks. Now you can get to nodes on time.
PvP is ludicrous. If in the pistol rounds of a cs game one team could pay five real world bucks and start with aks and armour the game would be dead more or less overnight. That would be the end of it. In mmos people are cool with that because they're scared of balanced games.
You people don't get it after so much explaining.
This is the lifeblood of the game. FRUSTRATION. It makes people spend real money.
If you make things fair, there will be lots of satisfaction, no frustration.
Let's put in the hypothetical situation where:
- there are 3 PvP sets of gear. No enchants, no fancy stuff - 3 sets. That is all.
- based on PvP ranking, you get to buy the next set.
- you will PvP solely against people with the same set, ELO still in place
Things would go amazingly well for the players and PvP would thrive, with all the advantages taken away from the big spenders and so on.
Combat in this game is the best an MMO have seen. All the focus would be on SKILL, STRATEGY and COMMUNICATION - not gearing up. My guess is that this would make everybody happy.
But no frustration, no money spent. Why spend, if you can get all through gameplay? Right?
Well, no, not actually. A developer that trusts their product would make money out of cosmetics and fan devotion.
Cryptic is not trusting themselves enough to make PvP an entirely skill-based affair though.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
There. Revenue problems solved.