Weapon Enchants

charononus · August 2014

So I'm looking for some numbers because I don't have enough high level enchants to do all the testing myself.

Now what I've heard is that Vorpal isn't a good choice for SW's though to be honest I don't understand why that is. If someone can post the math on it, I'd love that.

People say lightning is great for SW because of the aoe chaining, however I can't stand lightning because I hate not having control over where it hits, and I've seen lightning pull mobs that didn't need to be fought way way to often. Because of this I'm wondering about the math of how lightning compares to GPF and Bilethorn. I've heard Bilethorn isn't great because of it not proccing on some of our attacks, any confirmation of that would be great.

Anyways I'm looking to see if anyone has hard numbers on this rather than opinions.

voltomey · August 2014

charononus wrote: »

So I'm looking for some numbers because I don't have enough high level enchants to do all the testing myself.

Now what I've heard is that Vorpal isn't a good choice for SW's though to be honest I don't understand why that is. If someone can post the math on it, I'd love that.

People say lightning is great for SW because of the aoe chaining, however I can't stand lightning because I hate not having control over where it hits, and I've seen lightning pull mobs that didn't need to be fought way way to often. Because of this I'm wondering about the math of how lightning compares to GPF and Bilethorn. I've heard Bilethorn isn't great because of it not proccing on some of our attacks, any confirmation of that would be great.

Anyways I'm looking to see if anyone has hard numbers on this rather than opinions.

TBH i dont know why people say vorple sucks for it i figured if you use vorple and you DoT like warlocks bargain crits it will do mondo dmg and heal you for good chunks also But personally use use Greater Plaugefire.

sinfected13 · August 2014

Now i havent played temptation spec yet but after reading the forums i was thinking of trying it out. Wouldnt vorpal be good for that spec, big hits big heals right?

championshewolf · August 2014

I dunno why some people ignore crit severity. Maybe I should write up a guide to my DPS healing lock for people. Sort of the counter to the tank healer lock.

charononus · August 2014

championshewolf wrote: »

I dunno why some people ignore crit severity. Maybe I should write up a guide to my DPS healing lock for people. Sort of the counter to the tank healer lock.

Yeah some people were saying that they lost massive chunks of dps compared to other enchantments by running a vorpal with a SW. I haven't seen any act reports from it, and don't understand the math on it unless they dumped cha and didn't get any crit chance. That's essentially what I'm looking for though is some math back up.

vasdamas · August 2014

Lightning is good for melting down the mobs, however, it won't help you much in boss fights.

I use p.vorpal but I have 44% crit chance, for now

Will have around 50% as soon as I upgrade the belt to legendary and get some BI rings/necklace probably

championshewolf · August 2014

charononus wrote: »

Yeah some people were saying that they lost massive chunks of dps compared to other enchantments by running a vorpal with a SW. I haven't seen any act reports from it, and don't understand the math on it unless they dumped cha and didn't get any crit chance. That's essentially what I'm looking for though is some math back up.

Math back up is quite simple. I currently have a 90% severity, with 37.3% critical chance according to my numbers. That means that my DPS gets a boost of roughly 34% average, sometimes up sometimes down based on that crit chance and severity. I also have penetration to which helps out, and since I use the warlock passive No Pity, No Mercy, I have combat advantage a large chunk of the time. So that's a lot of damage. Not including the penetration as well.

And this is my DPS healer temptation spec, and I average out pretty high on the damage charts.

charononus · August 2014

Well switched over to a vorpal tonight, with that change I went from about a 50% great success rate to a 90% great success rate in the rothe valley dragon. So while I didn't run ACT to get the exact numbers I think that shows there is something for vorpal above plaguefire. That's with a 37.4% crit rate.

vasdamas · August 2014

charononus wrote: »

Well switched over to a vorpal tonight, with that change I went from about a 50% great success rate to a 90% great success rate in the rothe valley dragon. So while I didn't run ACT to get the exact numbers I think that shows there is something for vorpal above plaguefire. That's with a 37.4% crit rate.

Another prove that vorpal>lightning. Somebody just used forum to get rid of their p.lightnings >.>

ashnvf · August 2014

I use both a P Vorp and P Lightning and I've been outdamaging most CW's when using the P Vorp. I used 20 VT 2/2 runs for my comparisons. These were 15.5K+ GS runs so every group melted very quickly. Maybe with less optimal groups a lightning is better.

mittensofdoom · August 2014

I use terror for the simple fact that my build only gets 20-25% crit. I advised my friend who went fury spec to get vorpal with his 40% chance and he is doing great dps.

martynasskairyss · August 2014

Perfect Lightning all the way. Since we don't crit that much. I've came to the conclusion that P. Light is better, indeed I didn't do any maths. I just saw plains numbers. The DoT damage is insane during tyrannical threat + dreatheft skill + vanquished blades. It's totally insane. I've finished CN 4/4 being only 13k gs no boons and blue artifacts wiith 43m damage. Yeah, boss fights aren't that effective with p light, thats obvious. But overall P Lightning all the way. Aka Manah@martynasskairyss add me if you want to run some dungeons with me, 15k sw here.

mutantdemocracy · August 2014

martynasskairyss wrote: »

Perfect Lightning all the way. Since we don't crit that much.

I guesstimate that just getting 500 more into crit along with a Legendary CHA belt, my SW will be hitting around 42% crit chance. I'm currently at 36.6%, with only 10.8k GS.

mrhinkypunk · August 2014

mutantdemocracy wrote: »

I guesstimate that just getting 500 more into crit along with a Legendary CHA belt, my SW will be hitting around 42% crit chance. I'm currently at 36.6%, with only 10.8k GS.

Wow that's a nice crit chance, how much crit strike is that with? I'm at 25% but I only have 1.3k crit strike and 18 CHA. I'm building my warlock for temptation PvP so it's pretty much HP over everything else.

voltomey · August 2014

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

Wow that's a nice crit chance, how much crit strike is that with? I'm at 25% but I only have 1.3k crit strike and 18 CHA. I'm building my warlock for temptation PvP so it's pretty much HP over everything else.

with 25 Cha thats 2k maby 1.8k i have 35% crit chance and all the crit i get comes from gear alone

suraklin · August 2014

championshewolf wrote: »

I dunno why some people ignore crit severity. Maybe I should write up a guide to my DPS healing lock for people. Sort of the counter to the tank healer lock.

I would like to see a guide for a dps healing warlock.

mrhinkypunk · August 2014

suraklin wrote: »

I would like to see a guide for a dps healing warlock.

Well it'd be almost the same as a normal DPS warlock build other than in temptation with slightly more life steal slotted. Seeing as you're looking to max dps to max heals and if you are fury you are looking to max dps you have the same goal both ways. Of course you don't need to use so much necrotic damage if you aren't fury but that's the only big difference IMO.

valencay · August 2014

i've been trying to get a light for days (i don't have a sw, just want it for fun) and i couldn't understand why its price is so high right now, guess this is the reason

str8slayer · August 2014

I'm using GPF and pretty much everything procs the DOT's (as well as keeping 3x debuff stacks on everything). I have yet to see a vorp or lightning using SW surpass my DPS in AOE.

alkemist80 · August 2014

What would be a good starter enchant? I currently have a full T1 wicked mage set and eventually will like to stack crit to try out vorpal as I get better gear. I'm only at 28% crit right now and seems like a dps/heal loss with vorpal at this time. In the meantime, I'm leaning towards plaguefire but not sure what else would be good for Temptation. I'm a bit partial to PF since it works great for my cw.

kolatmaster · August 2014

alkemist80 wrote: »

What would be a good starter enchant? I currently have a full T1 wicked mage set and eventually will like to stack crit to try out vorpal as I get better gear. I'm only at 28% crit right now and seems like a dps/heal loss with vorpal at this time. In the meantime, I'm leaning towards plaguefire but not sure what else would be good for Temptation. I'm a bit partial to PF since it works great for my cw.

I'd say GPF or PF would be fine for a Temptation build, and I'd stay away from Vorpal, until your Crit Chance is 33% or higher... But that's just a personal preference/rule of mine.

Hope the opinion helps! :cool:

chrcore · August 2014

kolatmaster wrote: »

I'd say GPF or PF would be fine for a Temptation build, and I'd stay away from Vorpal, until your Crit Chance is 33% or higher... But that's just a personal preference/rule of mine.

Hope the opinion helps! :cool:

My Crit chance is 40.8% and I have had much better results with a P Vorp.

With that being said, I'm going to do some tests with a G Plaguefire and see if we melt the trash mobs faster. I might stick to the P Vorp for single target boss fights (like VT and MC) but use the GP for trash clearing.

vasdamas · August 2014

GPF is good but not as good as p.vorpal, wondering how good it is with 45%+ chance :P
Got 43 already, just need to upgrade the belt and get some of a crit stat

imit8r · August 2014

When I was doing testing on preview, I found that the enchants that cause damage were having a hard time figuring out when to actually proc damage and when not to. Not sure what caused the bug, if it was an actual bug, or what... I did some testing with PF and Terror and EVERY single time Vorpal came out on top. My Temptation lock right now has about a 41% crit chance with 150% crit severity, and I find that there are very few CWs and GWFs that can beat me in DPS. My GS is about 15.7k, and I am competing with CWs and GWFs in the 17k+ GS range. I am not here to brag, but just comment that if you build for it with high crit chance Vorpal will come out on top for your personal DPS every time. That is not to say there is no merit in other enchants.

query523 · August 2014

Caveat: my SW is still kind of under-geared. I simply have not had time to work on that. Generally I start out toons with lesser frost because bang for buck that CC is the best thing you can get out of a lower level enchant. Normally I am a big fan of de-buff enchants but because they do not stack and SW lacks the AOE of other classes optimally the GPF and PTerror should be on someone else. My impression is that Vorp might be the winner.

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