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PVP Guardian Fighters - Preferred Paragon and Path
thestaggy
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Hello fellow iron-clad warriors.
I'd like to try and gauge the make-up of GFs in PVP to see if we are as versatile as I believe we are. In my mind I feel that both paragons and all 3 paths offer something in PVP. So, if you don't mind selecting the applicable Paragon and path and then maybe writing a bit on how you perform, such as your K-D ratio, W-L ration and your ranking. I know none of the latter are 100% indicative of your individual performance as a bad party can mask your performance, but it is as close as one can get to see how you are performing.
I'll go first:
Iron Vanguard Tactician
Page 32 (as of last night)
25 Wins, 13 Losses
310 Kills, 106 Deaths
Reason why I went for Tactican is that we are now a major target and tend to get focused most of the time. The Tactician capstone generates AP when not blocking, so the build I am running allows me to make regular use of dailies. This is particularly useful with the rise of the CW. We still take damage but we can at least get to the CW when Villian's Menace is up. The AP buff is also given to your party members if they are close. Further benefits are faster cooldowns, increased damage against targets you have stunned/proned, lower damage against your allies from targets you have marked (one way to prolong the life of a DC near you) and Anvil of Doom is a 1-second stun.
I'd like to try and gauge the make-up of GFs in PVP to see if we are as versatile as I believe we are. In my mind I feel that both paragons and all 3 paths offer something in PVP. So, if you don't mind selecting the applicable Paragon and path and then maybe writing a bit on how you perform, such as your K-D ratio, W-L ration and your ranking. I know none of the latter are 100% indicative of your individual performance as a bad party can mask your performance, but it is as close as one can get to see how you are performing.
I'll go first:
Iron Vanguard Tactician
Page 32 (as of last night)
25 Wins, 13 Losses
310 Kills, 106 Deaths
Reason why I went for Tactican is that we are now a major target and tend to get focused most of the time. The Tactician capstone generates AP when not blocking, so the build I am running allows me to make regular use of dailies. This is particularly useful with the rise of the CW. We still take damage but we can at least get to the CW when Villian's Menace is up. The AP buff is also given to your party members if they are close. Further benefits are faster cooldowns, increased damage against targets you have stunned/proned, lower damage against your allies from targets you have marked (one way to prolong the life of a DC near you) and Anvil of Doom is a 1-second stun.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
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Iron Vanguard Protector
I've never checked the leaderbords so I don't know my stats.
Since mod 4 I've tested a few things out. I just like being a tank which is why I went protector. And since I also PVE I like the IronVanguard's frontline surge to kill mobs.
For PVE I've nestled into a Bull Charge, Iron Warrior, Knights Valour; reflect dmg setup. I do get some kills in with the bullcharge. This setup is quite dependant on the group I get. If its a great group I'll swap 'bull charge' for 'into the frey' and just let my group do all the work.
It does suffer for the 1 on 1 fights but if I want to run around capturing nodes I'll switch to the old lunging strike, bull charge, frontline surge/other setup.
Not too big a fan of frontline surge for pvp anymore. So much immunity now a days.
Interesting setup. I can see how that would be very reliant on your party being good for you to succeed.
I myself stopped using Frontline a long time ago in PVP.
I am:
Swordmaster Conq.
Page 64 (as of last night)
47 Wins, 35 Losses
828 Kills, 378 Deaths
I was IV protector in early 60s,then swordmaster protector and for a long time i am now SwordM Conq.
I chosen swordmaster cause it helps tremendeously in pve.Steel defence + Villain's Menace allow me to jump in red or to tank hard hiiting adds.The less and more powerfull the better for me .
Conq i think it helps in pvp.For my opinion offence>defence in pvp.And conq offers the best offense from the three paths.
I think to swap to IV Conq.It is centainly better for pvp however i cannot afford to lose steel defence for pve.
For pvp my rotation is Lunging Strike,Flourish,AoDoom.My feats are combat superiority and steel defence( unfortuantely the Steel grace wich would help Gfs immenselly does not work in pvp.It is bugged for ever)
My dailies are Villain's and Crescendo.
My sets are Knight captain for pve or purified black ice set.For pvp i go sometimes with pure sometimes with corrupted.60% of the time corrupted is better but there is also a 40% where a pure shines.
Running full purified black ice set and its working well. I'm not sure why lots of people say swordmaster is bad for pvp because its not and hardly different from iron vanguard, so I think it just depends on playstyle and your favorite powers.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I'm not yet very fixed on my rotation and still adapting : I'm currently enjoying lunging strike/Anvil of Doom/Into the Fray, with Crushing surge and Weapon Master Strike as At wills and Villains and Crecendo as Dailies.
I'm in Profound.
After a difficult start (2 or 3 matches to get a grip on the new possibilities), I did fairly good the last matches. (lot of kills and very few deaths)
Enorla, Oh so devoted cleric.
I thought Conqueror would be the dominant path, but I am surprised that it is neck-and-neck between IV and SM. From my perspective, the only thing that is stopping me from going SM is the loss of Threatening Rush. It most definitely comes down to personal preference, but I just feel too slow when I've tried SM. I love the idea of Steel Defence on a Tactician - if it does not interfere with AP gain, I have not tested it.
I made the SM to IV switch recently and my solo PVE experience improved greatly. The SM is too single target oriented. Now with FLS on 14 sec CD , ET and another encounter with feated Cleave my solo PVE is a fast and fun ride again.
So unless Cryptic makes some drastic changes Mod 4 will be IV Conq for me.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
What do you mean?
Threatening Rush is a basic GF skill. So you can still use it in either IV or SM.
No you can't. Threatening rush is IV only.
Venril- SW
Lurch- GF
Mini Ven- DC
I have always been Conqueror myself, but decided to try something new with Tactician. So far so good in both PVE and PVP. I believe the GF, along with the CW, is the one class that can now be effective in both formats and there really is no need to have two GFs to enjoy both aspects of the game. A quick change of gear and powers and I can jump right into CN after having some fun in PVP.
Solo content is a little slower as a Tactician, but getting VM up for just about every mob helps with that.
EDIT: I think I made a mistake with one of my Tactician feats. I took Terrifying Menace which turns Anvil of Doom into a stun, but I think taking Powerful Strike which turns Lunging Strike into a 100% interrupt would be better in PVP. Could assist in dealing with ranged casters as I can stop them dead in their tracks if I can get to them.
As inthere23 pointed out, Threatening Rush is exclusive to Iron Vanguards. Swordmasters get Weapon Master's Strike in place of Threatening Rush. The basic GF skills are Cleave, Tide of Iron and Crushing Surge.
The LS interrupt is awesome on paper but im not so sure about actual combat. You pretty much face two types of people - good and not soo good ( lets be civil here ). The good ones cast a range cc in mid LS and they stop ya, the not so good ones dont even notice you and fall too quickly for the interrupt to matter.
Man im getting tired of random PUGs, with the current state of the classes it almost doesnt matter how good you are, all that matters is 'are those other 4 people even remotely capable in a dom' ?. In one of my daily doms last night a 13k pve wizard from my team was top dog scorewis and that was with two above 17K PVP GWFs on team..and we lost too lol
Maybe I should join a pvp guild with both my toons
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Fair point. Good CWs are already trapping me mid lunge already.
I had a match in which we had a combined 86 kills, the CW getting 40 alone, and four of us occupied the first 4 places on the leaderboard. The enemy tea had a combined 25 kills. We lost. . . PUGS chase nodes, that is the problem. Instead of staying at mid the other 4 moved around in a great big group and got lured into repeatedly killing the two perma-running GWFs off node, so I was left as the only one trying to hold nodes.
And your GF ended up on the bottom of the score board ? Just wondering cause thats what happens usually
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Enorla, Oh so devoted cleric.
No, I was 4th overall, but because I kept on retaking mid and home. I'd clear mid, hold for as long as I could before dying then come back to cap home and hold mid. I also got a lot of kills while trying to hold mid, so I got a lot of defending bonuses. Individually we were better but had no tactics and nobody would listen. Their GWFs were smart. Both of them had double-digit deaths but they were effective in getting my team to chase them around and fight off node. So many times would 3 of my teammates go and chase one of them up the stairs and stuff around.
I have finished matches dead last in the past though being the pinata at mid while my team derped around.
I've played alot more and I literally just activate knights valor, use Iron Warrior when the stamina gets low, and bull charge any problem enemies. You sit in the middle node and keep your teammates close by. So easy.
Ya, I was confused with lunging strike. I should avoid the forums when I'm tired.
But with the changes to the cw i have gotten to the point where I may just sacrifice my dps build and go swordmaster tactician and go for a high ap gain build but I still enjoy smacking cws when they are not locked onto me which then leads to a quick death for them.