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fkkm
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Just thought I'd scrape and share some data from the leaderboards. Pretty much what you'd expect at the moment.
Aug 22, 2014
Aug 22, 2014
Top: 100 % 200 % 400 % 800 % DC: 1 1 5 2 14 3 27 3 SW: 0 0 0 0 2 0 10 1 TR: 18 18 43 21 78 19 155 19 GF: 10 10 19 9 44 11 101 12 GWF: 18 18 33 16 66 16 126 15 HR: 13 13 29 14 56 14 118 14 CW: 40 40 71 35 140 35 263 32
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BlackberryCheesecake CW
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CheeseCake House
This is really enlightening data. Thank you for sharing this.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
What is really scary is that CWs have always been the top class in PvE, and the changes were meant to bring them in line with other classes. Instead we a have a single class totally dominating both PvE and PvP by an insane amount.
Pretty sure GWFs were never this good in PvE and PvP at any stage. In fact one could reasonably ague that GWFs were overall, at best, 2nd place in both.
GWFs were at no stage ever top dog in PvE although at their peak they weren't that far behind CWs.
And in PvP, well played and built HRs (and to a lesser extent TRs) were as useful. In fact certain HR builds were probably superior to any GWFs.
Now there is single class that is top dog by a huge margin in both...
I know that's not reflective of PvP Dominion success, but it tends to be what jumps out the most to people during matches.
Also my crummy warlock doesn't deserve to be up there.
Yea they really hate us.
I don't understand your argument.
By your own admission:
1) GWFs were at best joint top in PvP, and CWs are at least that good now.
2) GWFs were at best (and this is being extremely generous) joint top in PvE, and CWs have always been godlike there. In fact I am sure that you will find almost no serious PvE players, baring a handful of die-hard CW, who will seriously argue that GWFs were ever as good a choice for PvE as a CW.
So by no conceivable measure (even by our own admission) were GWF as dominant as CWs are now, which was your initial assertion.
The staff here knows about it and you will see a very different picture once the leaberboard is dealt with, no worries.
BlackberryCheesecake CW
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2. The "PvP community" is a bunch of exploiters who all relog shortly before a match is over to not go down in Leaderboard.
3. There are more CWs than other classes in the first pages because of it.
4. According to Customer Support, the Leaderboard cheating should get fixed soon:
"We are aware of this issue and are working to resolve it. We will also be conducting a full investigation and taking all appropriate actions. Due to privacy concerns we cannot reveal the results of our investigation."
So what do you really get from these stats ?
If there's at least 10 CW for 1 DC participating in PvP for example (not far from reality I'm afraid), does that mean CW and DC are just as good if you consider the 800 first ranks ?
Enorla, Oh so devoted cleric.
I think you have cause and effect the wrong way round. Logic would suggest it is the other way round:
If a class is OP then the PvPers will immediate move to it....
Also if it was all down to gaming the ELO system and nothing more than why aren't all the classes equally represent? If there are 40 CWs at the very top against a single DC then it is hard believe it is just due just to chance or from playing the ELO system.
join ur OP class, lets play FPS game.
Hows that sound, those two ppl who believe CW is not OP, i mean shamon, and the pig head guy, hows ur feeling against CW.
Who get the first power land, who will win, properly with full HP, that COD, that CS, that BattleField, FPS game.
Pig head guy
Anyway, CW requires very little skill now to play and outplay other players closer to your skill. But the skill cap is lower then other classes IMO. Because for the CW as it is today, there are very little room for improvement.
"Why would you want to improve an OP class lol l2p scrub"
Well, lets put it this way, if a very skilled CW met a very skilled HR, the HR would crush his ***, because the CWs skill is already maxed capped because of how the class was reworked. Its requires no skill to play, and the cap is already capped because there are very little room for improvement. And an average CW can beat any average player of other classes because of this. But it goes a little different when you meet a very skilled player, playing other classes.
"Im really bad at explaining, but let me try like this"
The normal class goes from a skill cap from 0-100. 100 being max. With the right specc CWs are already at 60 without having to be exceptional at all. Now this "level" of skill is more then enough to beat most players 1v1. But the CAP is not at 100 for CWs. IMO its a lower number, lets say 80, so an HR or GWF that has a good build can reach 100, a number that the CW will never reach, and beat that said CW. Altho its still early in the module and new builds/changes may come up that changes this. Im pretty sure everything is not discovered yet.
And im pretty sure against a well built GWF/HR a well built CW has a 50/50 chance of winning. But the average built CW against an average built HR/GWF will have a higher win % because of how the class was reworked.
Once CWs get toned down a bit it should look pretty good.
If devs say that they will balance CW means they will make them op everywhere. You know as far as i remember best is probably take what they say half serious, so you will not be surprised after.
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
The thing is, as a TR or a GWF (in some cases) you will never be able to understand how OP the CW is. The thing is that of course they were much harder to kill but the dmg is ridiculous for both of them but the only difference was you could keep your distance against a GWF but since CWs are ranged you can't get away from them especially if you have no CC escapes.. You dodge entangling? Good job but while your patting your back you just got caught with Chill Strike. If the CW is smart enough he'll get you with Icy Rays before even attempting entangling so it's undodgable.. The control for entangling is so long that he'd have reahed 6 chill stacks before you stop floating in the air. The thing is that a ranged controller at it's OPest will always come on top of a melee controller at it's OPest (I'm saying controller because the prones were ridiculous).
Meldan3n your post never stop being a joke lol.
All you say is look over there they have that skill - look over there its a pig walking on 2 legs- look at them they can fly...
Everybody including at least half the cw community knows that CW class i king in both pve and pvp as of now.
Most could live with them being redicules OP in pve before as they dident perform very well in pvp overall(with a few exeptions) but now that they are ruling pvp as well as pve its to much and thats why all these threads starts to show up.
No smoke without a fire goes the saying....
Gwf was defending by a few but the threads of them being op in pvp never stopped and they go nerfed for a reason and yet they where never as dominant in pve as cw was.
And yet through all this you still defend the cw class and try to conjure up all kind of smokescreens with ****ty arguments making a fool out of yourself.
CW class is out of line compared to all the other classes and need to be brought in line with the message about class balance the devs wrote - Period.
The only people making fool out of themselves are people like you. Good TRs/GWFs/HRs will beat ANY CW. They have the tools for that. The only tool CW have is RoF spam - a much lower skill cap. Learn to play, forum warrior.
If PWE would just roll dices to determine a ranking they'd still be arguing and bragging in the chat, the state of competitive PVP is that bad.
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just because you are bad and not able to adapt you are crying for nerfs? learn to play YOUR class, then learn to play the class you want nerfed, then talk.
Eleanor - CW (retired after Assailing nerf)
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Man you are really butthurt you can't get high on the leaderboard, huh?
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