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Perm Stealth rogues are a thing now?
thomasz1
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I've played pvp and there are rogues that can kill me without ever leaving stealth, like wtf? I don't even get a opportunity to defend myself. Is this really what I got to look forward to in pvp? I normally love pvp, but in neverwinter, I try to avoid it now. Another thing is, Ranking System like wtf? Like two days ago when I was at like 10.5k Gs I was in a match against 19k plus players, hell there was a Gwf with like 21k. I'm just asking, Is this what they want?
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The ranking system appears to very much be a work in progress...
A GF will more easily fight one of those, as he can even out the advantage stealth has as a sneak attack, by present a walled target...whilst moving. See a GF targetting a stealth rogue, follow his lunges and bullrushes. Any range attacks makes throwing sounds, which shows you exactly where somebody is if you have a good headphone.
As for pvp, it desperately needs an available second queue. As an example, having a requirement 10k+ gearscore to queue for it. As for the low gearscore first queue, it should have a limiter.
The limiter either does something like, preventing you from putting on armor in excess of 10k+ gearscore (which would still enable you to play in those gearscore types, if you put on the lower gear), or once you reach 10k gearscore...you get locked out(though this might split playerbase too much).
HRs counter them pretty nicely. GFs are buffed. CWs are OP at the moment.
Given that all classes will stay relatively the same spot, I think TRs do not need any nerfing at the moment
It really needs 3 queues, but regardless, it should also be locked with tenacity score as well.
Frankly , perma has been there for quite awhile.. having another discussion seems odd.
You cannot remove it from them without giving them either more damage or more survivability or both. I don't even play a TR and I can see that.
Yes, I know, this is an unpopular stance.
Probably should be called "Ninja Stealth" instead.
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Nobody wants to punish people that have high gear scores. People just want things to be fair and a challenge. The person with 15k GS is probably going to win against a 9k GS, even if the 9k GS is more skilled at their class. Im fine with that, as the 15k person has earned that right. However, it seems wrong that people with 9k GS are put into a supposedly "logic" based selection process PVP arena with 15k GS people. Neither the 9k GS person nor the 15k GS person are getting a fair fight.
Yes, life isnt always fair. However, if I register for a softball league with my team, I certainly don't want to play the Yankees. Celebrity value aside, the match is not really going to be fair.
The overall issue could be though the difference range in level 60's. The fact that with all level 60 epics, a person can be what, 15k gearscore higher than another person of the same level? Raise the level cap already or make alternative queues.
I usually use my lantern artifact, lights them up like cockroaches and then they scatter!!!
Yes. it's a thing, and it HAS been a thing the entire life of the game. It's already been updated, a few months ago people were lamenting the end of permastealth only to realize it was still possible just a tad harder and with a slightly different build/rotation. Stealth is the TR's thing, get used to it and learn to counter it rather than cry about it being too hard. Yes, it's hard to deal with and one-on-one if you don't know how to fight a perma TR, you'll get your *** handed to you. But, if you DO know what you're doing (and the two of you are more or less equal in stats), you won't. Every class has it's killer builds, and I could go through each one and explain what they can do to own in PvP and likewise how to counter that sort of build. Even GFs BEFORE mod4 could woop backside in PvP if the build was right and the player knew what the heck they were doing.
Please (and this is directed at the community at large), stop crying over other classes beating you in pvp and asking the devs to make it easier for you and instead spend that time learning how to play your character more effectively. There are plenty of really good resources out there for you, all you have to do is look around a bit.
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Then this guy come into the thread with insulting words, this already been resolved, Leave.
You don't need to find them to specifically, just hurt them. Blades of Vanquished Armies is the permastealth eliminator for PvP. A maxed out lantern is useful for warlocks in any event, and the power is specifically designed to render stealth useless. That's right, an artifact power that is specifically designed against a player class.
Do your Infernal Spheres help, if you cast them and dash about a bit?
what crazyiness are you talking about, as I recall TR gets a rather large speed boost when stealthed, i've seen them out run mounts while stealthed.
Not enough dmg to take them out of stealth, Unless they end up crits, but ya. the Lantern should do fine.
Only if they spec into it, which takes up a valuable class slot that can be used to help stealth. I have never seen one outrun a mount though.... I don't think that is possible.
It's all about finding them in stealth and the 3 best ways to get them is high burst dmg to quickly kill them, Aoe damage to hit them even in stealth and dot damage to dmg them in stealth and slowly or rapidly drain it depending if they have tenacious concealment slotted.
Also try not to hit there dummy, it will only give them lots of ap to use there powerful daily or go stealth even more.
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I copied my rogue to preview and I have 90% run speed, that's faster than a rare mount lol, and if I had rank 10 enchants I could maybe get over 100% so coming close to epic mount.
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Not a rank 3, but a rank 1 and sometimes a rank 2. Sneak Attack is a speed bonus rather than a damage bonus which is what it originally was and should be, but QQ'ing resulted in it being nerfed into something that makes it far more useful for winning PvP matches and far less useful for killing anything.
Good lord that's fast.
TR's have two different passives that give a speed boost. Wait until Winter Festival and try beating one in the ice racing event.
in fact, stealth is actually the reason rogues were nerfed so hard in the first place; it's one thing to see someone quickly run to you and then do a fckton of damage in an instant (GWF i'm looking at you]), before backing away after having blown it's skills, it's another to be completely surprised by that giant-*** blade appearing next to you and doing tons of damage.
The fact people didn't saw the TR before being bursted led to a lot of whining of them being OP, while the CW has equally, if not higher burst today than TR, only difference, you can see a CW... (And they have a ****load of CC, but that not really contributing to our discussion)
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Same for DC, they don't heal as much as lifesteal on GWF or SW, so why bother bringing one when you can inv an extra CW?
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the reason we now see a lot of permas ( i play as bruiser rogue, nice and fun change actually) is because stealth is the only real way to make a difference in high-end pvp, we do not have the durability of a GF, or the CC of a CW, nor the damage of a GWF. so we use our stealth, and try use it to it's fullest potential.
But now that i've seen that HR can stealth (short duration, nevertheless), i do think that TR is in need of a COMPLETE overhaul, taking away the stealth mechanic and maybe adding something like sneak (becoming transparant, not invisible, movespeed bonus, and being able to toggle it at will ¨[not the best solution][similiar to SW TAB]), giving a LOT of it's single target damage back. because TR aren't even viable for PVE, i mean, who want's a rogue that is not able to do damage? No, better add another GWF/CW.
i'ts one thing to nerf a class's damage to the ground. but you have to give them something in return. like CC or Tankyness, but we rogues got neither, only stealth (which was our downfall) is now a last resort to even have a shot at PVP
TL;DR
TR and DC need A LOT of love to even be viable again in PVP (i mean real player-vs-player combat, not running around capturing points and doing nothing) (or PVE for the TR)
my suggestion: no stealth, more damage, different TAB
as for DC, more heals, or more and different ways to buff allies.
But I prefer they don't remove stealth for anyone, just rework it so it can't be abused.
stealth is also the reason i play TR, it's very fun to be a 9.1K gs TR fooling that 21k gs soulforged GWF for a whole match just by letting him come to 3 in rivenscar ruins, and the moment he steps through the gate, capture his point again, i once annoyed one so hard, he and his party just sat at 3, and didn't move, not even trying to defend 1&2 just sitting at three and searching for me
( on a related note, the GWF never got to use his soulforged , you don't really need that enchantment to run in circles