i just wanted to thank devs ruining pvp to other classes except overpowered cws.i have a hr and gwf.you changed some hrs stacks like serpent shot and made them less usefull then you ruined gwfs. just thank you! once i could kill 20 + with my ranged build hr and 15+ with my destroyer gwf. now they are like training dummies against cws. day by day you can see only cws warlocks and some perma rogues in arena and any gwfs.please dont try to balance classes anymore. you re making things worse and worse. and please guys do not reply like ''dont cry'' etc. i was happy with my builds. and i dont want to buy respec token for every change. in fact i could not buy 150 zen in a week at astral exchange. ah good old days, everyone could buy zen instantly.now ppl can see the pictures only unless they buy zen with money ! sorry for my english.
Hr and GWf were ridiculously overpowered prior to the changes... If you could play well before but not now it only speaks volumes about your skill level ( no offense ) I suggest you practice more and adapt. As I have fought both those classes by skilled players in M4 and they were really good.
CW, cc/damage is a bit ridiculous you have a point there, I am sure it will be changed / tweaked soon. Warlock are hardly a threat in pvp unless you let them free cast because they are the easiest class to nullify in pvp with any cc immunity or cc.
Perma Rogues are the same as before and they will always be a power in pvp as that's their class Stealth was meant for evasive tactics.
There are an abundance of bugs still in the game, we've only had M4 for a week! Lets give them some time to sort things out.
Shieldbash60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard19.0k Overpowered60 CW~ Thaumaturge14.5k ==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Last mod, you only saw GWFs and HRs. Its not like a class being overpowered is a new thing.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
edited August 2014
All mmos change the top dog once or twice a year.. you can either play with the current class or roll another.
What bothers me is that people think its different here and just want thier class to be OP, but it doesnt work like that. Taking over threads, demanding nerfs, blah blah blah, it just doesnt work like that. If they do nerf a class to harsh, people just roll another, its pretty simple its about 60 -70 days to get one class to boon out, profound set and you just swap your enchants over. If they would allow artifact switching to Bind on Account it would be even easier.
My suggestion is to have 2-3 classes stored around at least it only takes /played 20 hours give or take to 60.
IF you feel one is no longer resonpsive to your personal play style, switch it around.
I can tell you the 2 most common classes I saw while leveling my SW in dom matches under 60 were GFS and CWs.. lol. Of course, dont think THEY too wont be adjusted at some point in the future.
The very nature of MMOs is that all classes get their day in the sun and their day in the clouds. Typically the more common DPS classes are shined on the most. Its just the nature of most MMOs.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Last mod, you only saw GWFs and HRs. Its not like a class being overpowered is a new thing.
Exactly, you will eventually see mostly GFS and CWs this mod, this is what people dont understand, they think by demanding other class nerfs it will fix balance.. will never happen.
Exactly, you will eventually see mostly GFS and CWs this mod, this is what people dont understand, they think by demanding other class nerfs it will fix balance.. will never happen.
Well, i've been playing GWF since the start when the class was trash in both PvP and PvE.
I'm enjoying it now.
What people ask for is to do not have CW laser beams killing people in 3-4 seconds regardless the DR armor deflection HP amount, through overpowered passive procs from assailant and storm spell, and to get rid of broken glyphs that just passively kill the enemy in few seconds if they just...attack you.
It's plain dumb, expecially the glyph part. It's plain dumb when a CW jumps in a match and can melt people in 4 seconds going through all defenses....then you attack him and you die cause he's also wearing a broken glyph that kills people in seconds.
Seriously guys, if you don't think this stuff must be fixed...it's not a matter of classes being OP. It's a matter of the whole PvP gone to hell with almost-insta-kills through passive damage procs.
At first those were permastealth rogues, then GWFs with HRs. And now mages, that were quite okay in pvp before m4. And totally broken for pve.
I haven't PvPed since m3 even though I always considered myself as casual PvPer and I suspect it was one of the reasons I played the game for a while. Not sure if I am going to step into pvp ever again as I feel it's just a big toxic steaming pile of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> now. And I'd say I feel you op but I after I read V
And now mages, that were quite okay in pvp before m4. And totally broken for pve.
That isn't true at all. Wizards were low defence low hp and couldn't hurt or slow down anyone. It was by far the weakest class. But hey they do some damage to non highgeared pve build pvpers and its just too much for everyone.
That isn't true at all. Wizards were low defence low hp and couldn't hurt or slow down anyone. It was by far the weakest class. But hey they do some damage to non highgeared pve build pvpers and its just too much for everyone.
CWs was the most accurate class to play in PvP, a good PvP CW (not a scrub running around with PvE oriented stuff) could be annoying as hell for any build. Needless to say all those HR pathfinders cried ONLY about CWs in m3 ?
It's been discussed on numerous occasions already, just ask around in PvP guilds if you care.
That isn't true at all. Wizards were low defence low hp and couldn't hurt or slow down anyone. It was by far the weakest class. But hey they do some damage to non highgeared pve build pvpers and its just too much for everyone.
Like you say. Low defense low HP (still, they are a ranged class, can't be a tank, you know). But, still, what CWs needed was the buff to shield and some more CC OR some more defensive/ evading options. That was my conclusion after playing my CW alt.
Where does a ultra damage buff fits in all this? Nowhere. So auto-proccing uberdamage from assailant ans storm spell melting tanks in 4 seconds must go, period. Yeah, cause it's not "some damage to non highgeared pve build pvpers". There are multiple videos and reports of CWs melting tank PvP builds cause on top of that they also ignore DR and deflect.
GWF prones were removed cause IBS ignoring DR and deflect was unfair. Now we have ray of frost proccing high damage dots that go through DR and deflect, melting tanks in 3-4 seconds. This is what's happening in PvP right now. Once they fix Assailant, SS and dragon glyphs, it will be ok.
it is just a bit disturbing to change what i used to.and it is weird killed by 8 k cw and able to do nothing.thats why i thank devs.
CWs were very weak before - so most CW PvPers simply had to learn to move while in PvP - because the only way to fight was to be constantly on the move - teleport repeatedly, move past your opponent then swing the camera around straight away to hit him - now that CW powers have been increased, all that training plus the higher damage adds up to the 8k CW being able to kill you - because your idea of PvP up to now has been to charge at them, knock them prone and bash your keyboard till they die -
So I guess you will have to learn to do some PvP now...
Exactly, you will eventually see mostly GFS and CWs this mod, this is what people dont understand, they think by demanding other class nerfs it will fix balance.. will never happen.
You think so? CW will be nerfed down some eventually. Don't mistake GF populous for Overpoweredness...
GF aren't all that right now either we are super buggy, and CWs can have their way with us easily as our Guard doesn't block any CC... But I think most of the influx of GF you are seeing is a direct result of GF not being good / or needed for 1 year! I think many players loved the class but just shelved them and now they can be useful they are playing them.
Shieldbash60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard19.0k Overpowered60 CW~ Thaumaturge14.5k ==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
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CW, cc/damage is a bit ridiculous you have a point there, I am sure it will be changed / tweaked soon. Warlock are hardly a threat in pvp unless you let them free cast because they are the easiest class to nullify in pvp with any cc immunity or cc.
Perma Rogues are the same as before and they will always be a power in pvp as that's their class Stealth was meant for evasive tactics.
There are an abundance of bugs still in the game, we've only had M4 for a week! Lets give them some time to sort things out.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
Not all CW are OP.
MoF mage is like Mod2-3 CW!
BlackberryCheesecake CW
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CheeseCake House
You are correct but that is a very very small minority of the CW player base.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
What bothers me is that people think its different here and just want thier class to be OP, but it doesnt work like that. Taking over threads, demanding nerfs, blah blah blah, it just doesnt work like that. If they do nerf a class to harsh, people just roll another, its pretty simple its about 60 -70 days to get one class to boon out, profound set and you just swap your enchants over. If they would allow artifact switching to Bind on Account it would be even easier.
My suggestion is to have 2-3 classes stored around at least it only takes /played 20 hours give or take to 60.
IF you feel one is no longer resonpsive to your personal play style, switch it around.
I can tell you the 2 most common classes I saw while leveling my SW in dom matches under 60 were GFS and CWs.. lol. Of course, dont think THEY too wont be adjusted at some point in the future.
The very nature of MMOs is that all classes get their day in the sun and their day in the clouds. Typically the more common DPS classes are shined on the most. Its just the nature of most MMOs.
Exactly, you will eventually see mostly GFS and CWs this mod, this is what people dont understand, they think by demanding other class nerfs it will fix balance.. will never happen.
U are the jerk that were spoiling others ppl fun playing OP class. Now coming here like a baby, whining to Ur mommy. Cry more newb.
Well, i've been playing GWF since the start when the class was trash in both PvP and PvE.
I'm enjoying it now.
What people ask for is to do not have CW laser beams killing people in 3-4 seconds regardless the DR armor deflection HP amount, through overpowered passive procs from assailant and storm spell, and to get rid of broken glyphs that just passively kill the enemy in few seconds if they just...attack you.
It's plain dumb, expecially the glyph part. It's plain dumb when a CW jumps in a match and can melt people in 4 seconds going through all defenses....then you attack him and you die cause he's also wearing a broken glyph that kills people in seconds.
Seriously guys, if you don't think this stuff must be fixed...it's not a matter of classes being OP. It's a matter of the whole PvP gone to hell with almost-insta-kills through passive damage procs.
Still not going to give GWF the bugged roar / pron iwb back.
But top end gwf are developing a new style.
oF course they are also making ogmas go on cooldown so no perma CC resist.
i suspect another couple months and about the time things settle down another problem will come up.
No one , no class should be able to fight multiple opponets and them stay locked down until dead. Not gwf, not rogue, not HR not GF or CW or anyone.
SW, Jury still out on them. at least their soul puppets will despawn when owner is killed.
Repel was gettting necessary just to knock them out of the way esp at low levels.
I haven't PvPed since m3 even though I always considered myself as casual PvPer and I suspect it was one of the reasons I played the game for a while. Not sure if I am going to step into pvp ever again as I feel it's just a big toxic steaming pile of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> now. And I'd say I feel you op but I after I read V I had to agree with blowfish4
WTB Class Reroll please
That isn't true at all. Wizards were low defence low hp and couldn't hurt or slow down anyone. It was by far the weakest class. But hey they do some damage to non highgeared pve build pvpers and its just too much for everyone.
It's been discussed on numerous occasions already, just ask around in PvP guilds if you care.
WTB Class Reroll please
Like you say. Low defense low HP (still, they are a ranged class, can't be a tank, you know). But, still, what CWs needed was the buff to shield and some more CC OR some more defensive/ evading options. That was my conclusion after playing my CW alt.
Where does a ultra damage buff fits in all this? Nowhere. So auto-proccing uberdamage from assailant ans storm spell melting tanks in 4 seconds must go, period. Yeah, cause it's not "some damage to non highgeared pve build pvpers". There are multiple videos and reports of CWs melting tank PvP builds cause on top of that they also ignore DR and deflect.
GWF prones were removed cause IBS ignoring DR and deflect was unfair. Now we have ray of frost proccing high damage dots that go through DR and deflect, melting tanks in 3-4 seconds. This is what's happening in PvP right now. Once they fix Assailant, SS and dragon glyphs, it will be ok.
CWs were very weak before - so most CW PvPers simply had to learn to move while in PvP - because the only way to fight was to be constantly on the move - teleport repeatedly, move past your opponent then swing the camera around straight away to hit him - now that CW powers have been increased, all that training plus the higher damage adds up to the 8k CW being able to kill you - because your idea of PvP up to now has been to charge at them, knock them prone and bash your keyboard till they die -
So I guess you will have to learn to do some PvP now...
No need to explain us any more. To keep it short - it is obvious U are frustrated cause U can't bully other classes like before. And thats lame.
You think so? CW will be nerfed down some eventually. Don't mistake GF populous for Overpoweredness...
GF aren't all that right now either we are super buggy, and CWs can have their way with us easily as our Guard doesn't block any CC... But I think most of the influx of GF you are seeing is a direct result of GF not being good / or needed for 1 year! I think many players loved the class but just shelved them and now they can be useful they are playing them.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
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