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The True King of PVE..CW still ??OR WL ?

pufy2010pufy2010 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 301 Arc User
edited August 2014 in PvE Discussion
Hello guy's , Alizea Angelo here.

as we well know..CW always been the Master of dps and Destroyer in PVE.

Bcs his mechanics..are precisly bazed on aoe/huge damage/cc

Even with low status...CW can do to much damage.


Now the question is...Will CW still be the Unmatched King of pve ??

Or Warlock will take his place ???Even with accursed armor fix..Warlock still can do even more damage with that set.


Ya...GWF....dosent have the mechanics/aoe to do CW job..but he can be..right reliabile in Pve damage....



But back to Point

Kings of PVE : Module 4 :

CW or WL ( Control wizard or Warlock)
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  • hefisdohefisdo Member Posts: 709 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    Anyone but TR if you ask me.
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Warlocks have no control and are mostly st damage. They'll have a place as a high damage dc with the temptation tree. CW will still have their control, and enough aoe to do the job. You'll just see some GS creep requirements for lfg pugs.
  • jintortlejintortle Member Posts: 655 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I thought HR was?
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jintortle wrote: »
    I thought HR was?

    Archery will have high dps but almost no control, Best comp would probably be
    GF single target dps and all the new buffs
    CW
    CW
    CW
    HR for aoe

    The HR can be subbed for a DC or temptation Warlock if the group is lower geared and needs healing.
  • cloud990plcloud990pl Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Let me stop you with that "WL" thingy because it makes people confused as to what you mean (and unless that was the point to attract attention then good job), it should be "SW" as in "Scourge Warlock", Warlock is a single word... Calling "SW" a "WL" is like calling "CW" a "WA".... but sarcasm, comedy and puns aside as there might be someone who will have a sense of humor of an angry killer bee and tries to respon to this post:

    SW is mainly a single target and as we all know dungeons are designed to home as many monsters as possible, packing them in a groups of 5 to 20 (or I'm playing with "punhats" who are attention seekers to local population of monsters in every dungeon)...
    So concluding (not sure if that's a real word): no SW will not dominate that silly "Mine dps is bigger than yours" mainly because of groups of monsters that are being pulverized (also not sure about this word so imagine something "eaten, chewed, digested and blown with blowtorch size of Statue of Liberty after being expelled from ones stomach" sort of thing) that only CW can do, literally no other class equally geared can do as much dps as CW currently or post Mod 4 in the next few months.

    Putting it simple: If your uber-powerful class (other than CW) can do 10k damage to a single target and CW can do 5k damage to 5 targets then CW will do 2.5 more damage.

    PS Remember the part when I said that I'm gonna be serious in the rest of the post? I lied
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    any class composition will beat any DD you want..

    Just ran a 5 man DC ToS , our best DPS actually died due to a lag spike on him right at the start so we finished it 4 man. SO 4 DC's beat one of the hardest t2 dps races in the game.. fairly easily I might add, with a AVg GS of slightly BELOW 15k total... So ya.

    There is the state of your game right there.. who cares.

    This lament over what class runs what better is just a little hickory , dickory , dock IMO. Start playing the game.

    If you are having problems finding a group, run in Legit, just dont come with your gear scores and your speed running and your stacking junk.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    silverkelt wrote: »
    any class composition will beat any DD you want..

    Just ran a 5 man DC ToS , our best DPS actually died due to a lag spike on him right at the start so we finished it 4 man.

    There is the state of your game right there.. who cares.

    This lament over what class runs what better is just a little hickory , dickory , dock IMO. Start playing the game.

    If you are having problems finding a group, run in Legit, just dont come with your gear scores and your speed running and your stacking junk.
    Everything you say is true. However thinking up what comp would down things the fastest is an interesting bit of theorycraft.
  • hmdq#4491 hmdq Member Posts: 508 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    another empty thread.
  • zacazuzacazu Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,934 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    well, theoretically gwf is better than it was before (pve) and now must have the highest aoe burst damage in the game (ibs). I do know nothing about warlock apart from the fact that it has a little creative look (especially in comparison to the ranger... something was lost in the meantime.).


    gf deserve the buffs, but... lets see. hr potentially will shine in single and not aoe. cw is cw.


    summary of the changes is ok if we think that the classes are currently more favorable for the single than for aoe (I do not even want to imagine how will the rogue in the future). but this favoritism blatant for cw kill all possibilities of a healthy balance. when you read in the "dev blog " the projection about your changes for cw, you really, really understand he has no idea about your final work ...

    Maybe he understood his mistake and will adjust before launching, but I would not bet on it.
  • midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    zacazu wrote: »
    well, theoretically gwf is better than it was before (pve) and now must have the highest aoe burst damage in the game (ibs).

    How is an attack with a 3 target cap for damage the highest burst AoE?
  • zacazuzacazu Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,934 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    double post
  • zacazuzacazu Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,934 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    encounter? i think yes.

    before the first nerf, I was doing a "one hit ko" with ibs.
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hquadros wrote: »
    another empty thread.

    Well it isn't an empty thread so much as the OP is asking for peoples opinion on stuff that isn't finalized , final class changes won't be known until Thursday so it's pointless speculating about who's going to be what really.
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  • nathanmehew2435nathanmehew2435 Member Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    cloud990pl wrote: »
    SW is mainly a single target and as we all know dungeons are designed to home as many monsters as possible, packing them in a groups of 5 to 20

    You are extremely wrong lol SW are mainly aoe NOT single target, Have you even played a SW ? because if you have you would know there aoe damage is insane and better then a HR in Mod 4 and above that about the same if not better then a bugged CW in Mod 4. My advice is do your homework before saying things that you haven't seen first hand or done extensive research on.
  • zacazuzacazu Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,934 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    You are extremely wrong lol SW are mainly aoe NOT single target, Have you even played a SW ? because if you have you would know there aoe damage is insane and better then a HR in Mod 4 and above that about the same if not better then a bugged CW in Mod 4. My advice is do your homework before saying things that you haven't seen first hand or done extensive research on.

    I thought the sw was single ... well, now ****
  • cloud990plcloud990pl Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    You are extremely wrong lol SW are mainly aoe NOT single target, Have you even played a SW ? because if you have you would know there aoe damage is insane and better then a HR in Mod 4 and above that about the same if not better then a bugged CW in Mod 4. My advice is do your homework before saying things that you haven't seen first hand or done extensive research on.

    I did not say its only single target but that's its main role, good example is Dreadtheft which is mainly single target spell that can turn into AoE by manipulating your position (also if you shoot you laser at first enemy up front or random enemy will run into your crosshair you will possibly hit only 1 target), another good example is Cursed Bite which affects your cursed targets (so basically it may be single target as well as AoE).
    In short: SW AoEs needs thinking head to make them work while CW AoE are like "press the button and forget about it" with little to no need of thinking; Its like saying that TR, GF, GWF are also AoE damage dealers because they have powers that can turn AoE under certain circumstances but CW is the only class (well, with mod 4 GF may be able to do that as well) that can actual create thoose certain circumstances (as in group enemies)
    Same situation as TR and GWF: TRs to do hight dmg need to think carefully what they are doing while GWF player may just be pressing random buttons while being surrounded by enemies and he still can be in 1st or 2nd place (that is if that player has greater IQ than rock and reaction time better than snail)
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