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halvspak
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So after the most recent AD exploit I have been waiting to see what is done, and what they share with us about what they are doing. I decided that before I buy the Dragonborn Legend pack I wanted to be confident this game wasnt imploding. I am disappointed to say that I am not. The recent announcement ( http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?726911-Further-steps-to-a-better-Neverwinter ) really says nothing more than they did something. Which could be a 3 day ban, who knows.
The magnitude of this exploit requires more than a "steps have been taken" type of response. You CAN disclose the length of bans, the number of bans, if and how much AD has been deleted or confiscated, WITHOUT breaking your player privacy policy.
I want to buy the Dragonborn Legend pack. I have bought the Hero of the North pack (at regular price not discount), the Knight of the Feywild pack, the Hunter Ranger booster pack, and without scouring my bank transactions over 500 dollars in Zen, more likely close to 1,000 dollars. So I am not afraid to invest money into this game for something that I enjoy. I dont feel it entitles me to more than anyone who plays the game for free either.
All I want is to know that if I choose to spend money on this game that I am getting what I pay for, and now here is the important part, that those who cheat and exploit are not allowed to get the same thing for no cost except a temporary vacation from the game. Right now I cant say that, and so right now I am choosing not to spend money on the game. I still plan on playing, and hope that in the future I will again want to spend money on this game. But right now I am worried this game will be viable in a few months, or year.
I write this to let the developers know how I and many others I know feel. It is in no way a threat or Im leaving thread. I have tried to make keep my comments constructive and not violate any policy, which is hard given the topic. Please try to do the same with any responses.
The magnitude of this exploit requires more than a "steps have been taken" type of response. You CAN disclose the length of bans, the number of bans, if and how much AD has been deleted or confiscated, WITHOUT breaking your player privacy policy.
I want to buy the Dragonborn Legend pack. I have bought the Hero of the North pack (at regular price not discount), the Knight of the Feywild pack, the Hunter Ranger booster pack, and without scouring my bank transactions over 500 dollars in Zen, more likely close to 1,000 dollars. So I am not afraid to invest money into this game for something that I enjoy. I dont feel it entitles me to more than anyone who plays the game for free either.
All I want is to know that if I choose to spend money on this game that I am getting what I pay for, and now here is the important part, that those who cheat and exploit are not allowed to get the same thing for no cost except a temporary vacation from the game. Right now I cant say that, and so right now I am choosing not to spend money on the game. I still plan on playing, and hope that in the future I will again want to spend money on this game. But right now I am worried this game will be viable in a few months, or year.
I write this to let the developers know how I and many others I know feel. It is in no way a threat or Im leaving thread. I have tried to make keep my comments constructive and not violate any policy, which is hard given the topic. Please try to do the same with any responses.
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They gave their response to things already.
Plus, Mod4 is around the corner, more people will want to have ZEN come Thursday.
Unfortunately that is just hearsay and nothing more. I dont care about, and frankly, dont want names. I just want to know that if the crime (cheating or exploiting) is bad enough then the punishment fits. I leave it to the dev's and powers that be to determine that. We players dont need to know what levels of cheating leads to 3 day, 7 day, or perma bans. But right now the consensus is that temporary bans are the norm for pretty much all cases. It would benefit this game to know otherwise.
Thank you for posting the link that I posted myself in my original post, just in case someone other than yourself missed it.
Well no it isn't hearsay , ***** the leader of *** got perma banned and came on the forum to confirm it.
That's ironic. A guy who had a really good guide for creating wealth gets banned for exploiting. Ironic, and sad. It's like getting tips for a Wall Street banker on investment, then see him on the news being arrested for embezzlement.
Please refrain from naming players, I dont want to get thread shut down. Technically it is hearsay coming from you and not first hand from said person or the dev's. Not saying you are wrong or that info is wrong. But it is why hearsay is not allowed in court of law, it is unreliable can be hard to disprove or prove and often leads to he said she said type of arguments.
He admitted he 'tried the exploit once' and said he expected repercussions but was surprised by the perma ban and planned to appeal it.Also I hate to drag another forum user into it but magenubbie saw the post too before it was deleted.
I agree that the statement is inadequate to restore my faith in the fairness of the game. Given the history of high-profile exploits, my faith is shaken. I too expect a more detailed response.
I literally have my credit card at my desk, undecided whether to invest in a $75 pack that I don't really need in order to support a game I very much enjoy. So far, I have not made that purchase.
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Once again thank you for posting that they have responded. I did not realize the magnitude of your knowledge was so immense as to know that will be there ONLY response and that they cant respond further. I should have realized your brilliance when you linked in your response the link I provided my my OP. Now I will limit my responses to replies that are constructive.
It isn't a proper response. It just says "hey, we did something, but our own rules, the ones we can and do change, and often ignore at will, and that we apply in a totally flexible way when we want to, well, those rules sadly prevent us from disclosing anything".
It doesn't state:
* the amount of temporarily banned accounts
* the amount of permabanned accounts
* the average "worth" (in character levels) of permabanned accounts
* the total amount of AD removed from the game
Note: nothing of what I mentioned constitutes "private data", it's just anonymous statistics.
I mean, something like THIS is a proper response. And not a single "private data" item was disclosed as well.
And for me time is running out, because I will either buy it for $75 or I wont buy it, not for $100. Regardless I hope they can restore faith that exploits result in a loss rather than a gain. Because right now there is absolutely zero fear to avoid exploits. If you exploit you keep everything your exploit gained you, and you lose access to the game for a few days. When the rewards for cheating weigh more than the punishment for being caught there is little deterrent not to cheat. And even less encouragement to invest real money for things that one can easily do without to play.
Yes this exactly!!
Now there's a company that takes its game, economy and players seriously. I wish we could get something similar in Neverwinter.
They never will. Neither will any other MMO or other service company. Neither will the real life police or other official or unofficial investigate organizations. Hell, most people catering to a large sum of customers would never reveal such information.
Hence the request is a pipe-dream and the OP and others in agreement know it. The thread was just created as a point of moot, academic discussion (which is fine) - but probably should be asking people's opinions on the policy, rather than com paining about the policy. because when you complain it's just a whine. But when you ask others input it becomes meaty, thought-provoking brain fodder.
Shrugs.
Simple fact: Cryptic (and any services company worth its salt) is always working diligently, as fast a possible, yet feasible to quash any nefarious exploitive activity and pass appropriate judgement and comeuppance to those intentionally practicing said nefarious activity, which also require treading careful and vetting potential wrong-doers, which takes time.
And all of that is none of your business, or mine, or anyone else's except the company performing the action and those directly involved.
As for the 'really knowledgable person who gave excellent advice on how to earn stuff' being an exploiter who was banned: no surprise. Look at the history of the New York Stock Exchange to see exactly that. In real life. My point: So what? Who cares who the nefarious practitioners are. If it's shown beyond a doubt they are such then let the hammers and axes fall where they may.
As for Seven-Day bans - those are simple safety nets. In case any innocents are snagged up with the alleged 'criminals'. It gives them vetting time to verify nefarious activity or not, etc.
Did you click that link? Because that's exactly what EVE did. Click the link and read the report.
As for said person being a front person of a conformity of people that I over and over have vented against in pvp seeing their poor playstyle and lack of tact when dealing with ppl around them (looking like overgeared / underskilled).
I am not surprised at all!
In fact I would be surprised if I see many of them ingame anytime soon....
Someone said this person had been on the forums and admitted the ban; anyone have a printscreen of that (or the thread he was in)?
I wonder if Cryptic just got hit with this at the wrong time when most of thier resources might be tied in getting mod 4 ready??
usually thread about ban or exploit will be removed by our "nice " (kappa) moderator...
like this thread that it has been just removed from the general discussion becasue it had some truth about some ppl exploiting and not getting banned ...
While some members and officer corps have remained through the changing course of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, new players are alwaysIt is the love of the game that binds all members of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, and a few generalities about us can be made:
•<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> is a group of respectful adult gamers. Our minimum age requirement is 18.
•We aim to accomplish the absolute highest achievements possible within our game worlds, using whatever legitimate resources available to us. We never cheat or exploit to win.
•We balance gaming with professional and personal life, working as security specialists, managers, graduate students, game developers, teachers, auditors, and martial artists (to name a few). Bottom line: gaming enhances our lives, but does not define them.
Sarcasm on:
Only their leader and a buckload of others in there cheat and exploit to win, otherwise it seems fine that homepage.....
Sarcasm off.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?726911-Further-steps-to-a-better-Neverwinter
also, please do not address threads to staff or the developers. it is a violation of the forum rule 3.14.
thanks.