So just hit lvl 60 with my gwf and being new to the game i have some questions.First of all should i complete the questline in the latest areas?what armour should i go for?Also about pvp should i buy some pvp gear or gather my glory points to buy the best.
For PvE, buy what blue equipment and if you can afford, purples (epics) you can and start grinding for your T1 gear set. Also you will get seals that can get you decent starter epic gear. After you get that, you can start working on T2 dungeons. Please don't jump straight into T2 dungeons in blues because you still can't by pass it in dungeon group finder. Most of those groups won't be able to carry a player.
You don't need to finish those quest lines unless you want titles or extra exp. I would put those aside and start on your boons which have daily quests that need to be completed. Dead Ring is the easiest way to get your third boon so do that and you can access IWD. You will still need 10.5k GS to enter along with a third boon.
PS: Make sure to get your daily dungeon key which will unlock the chest at the end, also if you go during dungeon delve hour, you will get gear in the chest too, possibly your tier or random epic.
For PvE, buy what blue equipment and if you can afford, purples (epics) you can and start grinding for your T1 gear set. Also you will get seals that can get you decent starter epic gear. After you get that, you can start working on T2 dungeons. Please don't jump straight into T2 dungeons in blues because you still can't by pass it in dungeon group finder. Most of those groups won't be able to carry a player.
If you buy nothing but blues on the AH, you can get over 10k gs. Seriously.
Why would you grind T1 dungeons at that point, when all the blue you just equipped are better?
I started grinding T2 dungeons, and never looked back. (now the DD chest bug has halted progress for everyone).
Also: get started on the Sharandar and Dread Ring campaigns (you can do them both at the same time too); the first 2-3 boons are easy to get and will give you good stat bumps. Complete 3 boons in either and you'll get access to Icewind Dale which has more boons and some grindable gear.
For PvE, buy what blue equipment and if you can afford, purples (epics) you can and start grinding for your T1 gear set. Also you will get seals that can get you decent starter epic gear. After you get that, you can start working on T2 dungeons. Please don't jump straight into T2 dungeons in blues because you still can't by pass it in dungeon group finder. Most of those groups won't be able to carry a player.
You don't need to finish those quest lines unless you want titles or extra exp. I would put those aside and start on your boons which have daily quests that need to be completed. Dead Ring is the easiest way to get your third boon so do that and you can access IWD. You will still need 10.5k GS to enter along with a third boon.
PS: Make sure to get your daily dungeon key which will unlock the chest at the end, also if you go during dungeon delve hour, you will get gear in the chest too, possibly your tier or random epic.
I think that T1 purple gear is a little overrated. Much of the good blue gear is pretty close to T1 purple (GS will not change a lot moving from high quality blue gear to T1 purple). I ran many dungeons when I first hit level 60 with mostly green gear and a little blue gear. I had no troubles contributing and was not "carried" by others in the group. I think it depends upon skill level of the player a lot.
I would not waste any AD on purple gear - you will gain that gear running dungeons over time. If you do have a lof of AD, then feel free to buy a few purple items for a little extra boost.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Neverwinter the only MMO where a lvl 60 still feels new to the game.
EVERY mmo I've ever played had felt this way.
Wow...after 3 months of leveling you hit max level. Now you got to get in a decent guild, get into 5 mans first, then 10 mans, then 20 mans, then 40 mans. after you get geared up enough , enjoy your gear for 3-4 months, get your professions up and get those rare crafting skills, then in a few months we're gonna make all your gear worthless with another expansion. rinse and repeat.
Rose online. Max level 250. You get all the way up there, then you realize that everyone is way stronger then you. Then you realize the horrifying fact. After 6 months of leveling, They have a system in place that gives you extra unobtainable in any other way stats, by Rerolling your character to level 1. LITERALLY making end game...new game :P
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
I think that T1 purple gear is a little overrated. Much of the good blue gear is pretty close to T1 purple (GS will not change a lot moving from high quality blue gear to T1 purple). I ran many dungeons when I first hit level 60 with mostly green gear and a little blue gear. I had no troubles contributing and was not "carried" by others in the group. I think it depends upon skill level of the player a lot.
I would not waste any AD on purple gear - you will gain that gear running dungeons over time. If you do have a lof of AD, then feel free to buy a few purple items for a little extra boost.
Just my two cents. Everyone has varied opinions.
Welcome to Level 60! Enjoy!
DO NOT BE THIS GUY...
Nothing is worse then expecting a tank, and half way threw the dungeon u realize this is REALLY hard and u check ur tanks gear...and he's wearing greens.
Yes... Skill and a headset make up for ALOT of the challenges out there. but showing up to a t1 t2 dungeon even if u can pass the gs check in greens and blues is just bad form.
Nothing is worse then expecting a tank, and half way threw the dungeon u realize this is REALLY hard and u check ur tanks gear...and he's wearing greens.
Yes... Skill and a headset make up for ALOT of the challenges out there. but showing up to a t1 t2 dungeon even if u can pass the gs check in greens and blues is just bad form.
Sounds unrealstic for the casual gamer. Casual gamers are not going to have the AD required to buy-up for dungeon runs (where they can get purple gear drops). And, as I said, I competed just fine in mixed green and blue equipment. As long as you get the job done, things like "bad form" are a bit elitist to me.
By the way, all of my green/blue gear had r5 enchants as well.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Nothing is worse then expecting a tank, and half way threw the dungeon u realize this is REALLY hard and u check ur tanks gear...and he's wearing greens.
Yes... Skill and a headset make up for ALOT of the challenges out there. but showing up to a t1 t2 dungeon even if u can pass the gs check in greens and blues is just bad form.
If said tank's gear, be it green, blue, or purple, can get him past the GS check, then how can you complain? GS is GS is GS. Purple is arbitrary, especially in Neverwinter. I ran FH the other day with a pug tank that had 2 greens, and the rest blues, and a purple weapon. He was the best frickin tank i ever pugged with - i never had to kite, limit my splitshot, or take a potion. GS is GS, and skill is skill.
A full set of Tier 2 Blues (the ones with +133 stats ratehr than +100) and Rank 4s can give most classes 9-10K GS, which is sufficient to run all the Tier 1 and Tier 2s apart from maybe ToS. Given that Blues are so cheap any player should be able to get that much GS easily.
If said tank's gear, be it green, blue, or purple, can get him past the GS check, then how can you complain? GS is GS is GS. Purple is arbitrary, especially in Neverwinter. I ran FH the other day with a pug tank that had 2 greens, and the rest blues, and a purple weapon. He was the best frickin tank i ever pugged with - i never had to kite, limit my splitshot, or take a potion. GS is GS, and skill is skill.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
If said tank's gear, be it green, blue, or purple, can get him past the GS check, then how can you complain? GS is GS is GS. Purple is arbitrary, especially in Neverwinter. I ran FH the other day with a pug tank that had 2 greens, and the rest blues, and a purple weapon. He was the best frickin tank i ever pugged with - i never had to kite, limit my splitshot, or take a potion. GS is GS, and skill is skill.
The GS requirements are way to low imho, i remember doing my first at like 6-7k gs and it wasn't even close to possible. 9-10k should be the minimum, maybe even higher.
The GS requirements are way to low imho, i remember doing my first at like 6-7k gs and it wasn't even close to possible. 9-10k should be the minimum, maybe even higher.
Agreed with that. Of course artifacts make it easier to get gs, however there are certain dungeons that you're just generally not going to be able to do with the minimum gs, mad dragon was an example of a t1, ToS last boss has too much insane (and frankly overpowered) healing, CN you're just not going to be able to do with 9.2k gs, mc you're just going to get owned unless you do 2/3 and that's without the dps check. VT at least you need 10.5k but it's still pushing it unless the whole team knows what they're doing, if they did they'd probably be more than that though. Also epic dread vault is 8.3k and also something you need way more. Kind of hate when people with the bare minimum show up expecting to do well, especially if it's something hard for decent geared people if they're not as skilled.
Anyway, never enter with greens. You're never too cheap to get all blues it will cost you like 1-2k to get all blues and try to somewhat balance useful stats but just having blues is an improvement over nothing. Having greens is a bad example and just means I have to carry you. GG is easy t2 gear to get fyi. Also don't be cheap on your enchantments, at l60 all of your non utility (and weapon/special armour) slots should have some sort of enchantment.
The GS requirements are way to low imho, i remember doing my first at like 6-7k gs and it wasn't even close to possible. 9-10k should be the minimum, maybe even higher.
And yet my experience, and others, is that most of the dungeons were very easy when everyone was doing their job (tank is holding aggro/kiting, DPS is following instruction on particular boss mechanics, etc).
What is said by most ppl is that generally speaking, the average pug player won't know his/her class very well and/or won't follow direction and/or is given no direction doesn't know what to do and not to do - and so in response to that, the average pug player should have a GS that is 3k higher than the queue threshold to compensate.
Speaking more specifically, not all epic dungeons are created equal. Some are easier, and some are much harder. In the case of DPS checks, a pug player could actually enter the boss fight with the bare minimium gear (greens or blues) and have only his/her weapon as a purple with higher base damage, and that player would successfully pass the dps check if they know the class fairly well.
Why would you grind T1 dungeons at that point, when all the blue you just equipped are better?
Set bonuses. Some classes such as DC still prefer their T1 set, High Prophet because it's just that good. They won't wear any other set, including the most current BI gear.
I've been in way too many T2 dungeons where people make the gearscore check but they lack the skill and/or/both gear to successfully complete a dungeon.
For example I was doing epic dread vault, the hunter that joined was in greens, blues, and an epic or two. He wanted to get his T2 weapon right away and he had a green bow. He didn't even bother to at least buy a blue one. Combine that with a weak team that had no clue how to play, even after it was explained and understood English. It didn't work out.
Another example, in CN, the cleric had all epics but there was NOT a single enchant on his gear, and I don't mean the weapon and body enchantments. Not even a rank 1 gear for crying out loud. Yeah, that one obviously didn't go well either.
Like I said, GS isn't everything but there are way too many people out there with a poor combination of everything. While you can do some entry T2 in blues, don't expect to be successful in the upper half of them. While it's my own choice and normally bad decision to do dungeon queue, don't go in expecting people to carry you either. Others have the exact same thought and it ends up horribly. I have to say on the other flip side, there are times you can get into great groups as well and face roll everything.
First of all thanks for your answers very helpfull all of them .OK so i bought some blue items from auction(now all my items are blue)and started the 8000 gs dungeons.I didnt get any good item though.I was think now starting campaings.About pvp should i keep my glory and buy the grim set or should i buy first the battle so i can win some games(i tend to lose a lot :P)and then go from grim??
About pvp should i keep my glory and buy the grim set or should i buy first the battle so i can win some games(i tend to lose a lot :P)and then go from grim??
Up to you, the pvp set will let you live better, but it's also not that hard to get the grim set, you can get it purely from gauntlegrym and then trading it for the pvp grim sets. You get 2 seal of triumphs a day, one from pvp victory (including gg pvp) in trade of blades and the other for rhixs gg pvp daily. You can do the t1 dungeon a few times over to get more gg coins.
Just do the tiresome Sharandar and Dread Ring campaigns. You will get plenty of gear along the way. Then you can move on to the equally tiresome IWD campaign...or you could grind the 2 pvp maps for a week to get the seals and glory to get the Grim set. End-game pretty much covered right there. Then re-roll another class and do it all again.
Set bonuses. Some classes such as DC still prefer their T1 set, High Prophet because it's just that good. They won't wear any other set, including the most current BI gear.
Yeah the DC T1 set is an obvious exception (and one that shouldn't exist - who comes up with the T2 and T2.5 set bonuses?)
While you can do some entry T2 in blues, don't expect to be successful in the upper half of them. While it's my own choice and normally bad decision to do dungeon queue, don't go in expecting people to carry you either. Others have the exact same thought and it ends up horribly. I have to say on the other flip side, there are times you can get into great groups as well and face roll everything.
TotS and DV are good examples - all 5 players have to know the mechanics and their individual roles/placement to succeed. They'll fail even if they have all purples with lvl8 enchants.
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Campaigns are only "tiresome" if you make it a job to farm them solo.
I'm lvl 60, nearly full Black Ice gear, all boons, nearly all powers, done every area, finished MOST dungeons, have every profession to rank 20, and I STILL find loads of fun to do. There's collections to complete, guildies to help level, RP to do, Foundries to explore, general running amuck, events to come, and there's no "end game" really if you're just here to have fun. Lvl 60 is just the start.
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Campaigns are only "tiresome" if you make it a job to farm them solo.
I'm lvl 60, nearly full Black Ice gear, all boons, nearly all powers, done every area, finished MOST dungeons, have every profession to rank 20, and I STILL find loads of fun to do. There's collections to complete, guildies to help level, RP to do, Foundries to explore, general running amuck, events to come, and there's no "end game" really if you're just here to have fun. Lvl 60 is just the start.
Excellent, upbeat response! We need more of these types of reponses in these forums.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Campaigns are only "tiresome" if you make it a job to farm them solo.
I'm lvl 60, nearly full Black Ice gear, all boons, nearly all powers, done every area, finished MOST dungeons, have every profession to rank 20, and I STILL find loads of fun to do. There's collections to complete, guildies to help level, RP to do, Foundries to explore, general running amuck, events to come, and there's no "end game" really if you're just here to have fun. Lvl 60 is just the start.
+1, if you've played mmos then running dailies is nothing new, heck its part of the reason i love them so much.
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You don't need to finish those quest lines unless you want titles or extra exp. I would put those aside and start on your boons which have daily quests that need to be completed. Dead Ring is the easiest way to get your third boon so do that and you can access IWD. You will still need 10.5k GS to enter along with a third boon.
PS: Make sure to get your daily dungeon key which will unlock the chest at the end, also if you go during dungeon delve hour, you will get gear in the chest too, possibly your tier or random epic.
Why would you grind T1 dungeons at that point, when all the blue you just equipped are better?
I started grinding T2 dungeons, and never looked back. (now the DD chest bug has halted progress for everyone).
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I think that T1 purple gear is a little overrated. Much of the good blue gear is pretty close to T1 purple (GS will not change a lot moving from high quality blue gear to T1 purple). I ran many dungeons when I first hit level 60 with mostly green gear and a little blue gear. I had no troubles contributing and was not "carried" by others in the group. I think it depends upon skill level of the player a lot.
I would not waste any AD on purple gear - you will gain that gear running dungeons over time. If you do have a lof of AD, then feel free to buy a few purple items for a little extra boost.
Just my two cents. Everyone has varied opinions.
Welcome to Level 60! Enjoy!
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
EVERY mmo I've ever played had felt this way.
Wow...after 3 months of leveling you hit max level. Now you got to get in a decent guild, get into 5 mans first, then 10 mans, then 20 mans, then 40 mans. after you get geared up enough , enjoy your gear for 3-4 months, get your professions up and get those rare crafting skills, then in a few months we're gonna make all your gear worthless with another expansion. rinse and repeat.
Rose online. Max level 250. You get all the way up there, then you realize that everyone is way stronger then you. Then you realize the horrifying fact. After 6 months of leveling, They have a system in place that gives you extra unobtainable in any other way stats, by Rerolling your character to level 1. LITERALLY making end game...new game :P
I agree - good advice!
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
DO NOT BE THIS GUY...
Nothing is worse then expecting a tank, and half way threw the dungeon u realize this is REALLY hard and u check ur tanks gear...and he's wearing greens.
Yes... Skill and a headset make up for ALOT of the challenges out there. but showing up to a t1 t2 dungeon even if u can pass the gs check in greens and blues is just bad form.
Sounds unrealstic for the casual gamer. Casual gamers are not going to have the AD required to buy-up for dungeon runs (where they can get purple gear drops). And, as I said, I competed just fine in mixed green and blue equipment. As long as you get the job done, things like "bad form" are a bit elitist to me.
By the way, all of my green/blue gear had r5 enchants as well.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
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Keep in mind: the GS requirements were set long before the existence of a couple of GS-inflation mechanics. ie: companion bonuses and campaign boons.
Amen to that! Thanks!
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
The GS requirements are way to low imho, i remember doing my first at like 6-7k gs and it wasn't even close to possible. 9-10k should be the minimum, maybe even higher.
Agreed with that. Of course artifacts make it easier to get gs, however there are certain dungeons that you're just generally not going to be able to do with the minimum gs, mad dragon was an example of a t1, ToS last boss has too much insane (and frankly overpowered) healing, CN you're just not going to be able to do with 9.2k gs, mc you're just going to get owned unless you do 2/3 and that's without the dps check. VT at least you need 10.5k but it's still pushing it unless the whole team knows what they're doing, if they did they'd probably be more than that though. Also epic dread vault is 8.3k and also something you need way more. Kind of hate when people with the bare minimum show up expecting to do well, especially if it's something hard for decent geared people if they're not as skilled.
Anyway, never enter with greens. You're never too cheap to get all blues it will cost you like 1-2k to get all blues and try to somewhat balance useful stats but just having blues is an improvement over nothing. Having greens is a bad example and just means I have to carry you. GG is easy t2 gear to get fyi. Also don't be cheap on your enchantments, at l60 all of your non utility (and weapon/special armour) slots should have some sort of enchantment.
What is said by most ppl is that generally speaking, the average pug player won't know his/her class very well and/or won't follow direction and/or is given no direction doesn't know what to do and not to do - and so in response to that, the average pug player should have a GS that is 3k higher than the queue threshold to compensate.
Speaking more specifically, not all epic dungeons are created equal. Some are easier, and some are much harder. In the case of DPS checks, a pug player could actually enter the boss fight with the bare minimium gear (greens or blues) and have only his/her weapon as a purple with higher base damage, and that player would successfully pass the dps check if they know the class fairly well.
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Set bonuses. Some classes such as DC still prefer their T1 set, High Prophet because it's just that good. They won't wear any other set, including the most current BI gear.
I've been in way too many T2 dungeons where people make the gearscore check but they lack the skill and/or/both gear to successfully complete a dungeon.
For example I was doing epic dread vault, the hunter that joined was in greens, blues, and an epic or two. He wanted to get his T2 weapon right away and he had a green bow. He didn't even bother to at least buy a blue one. Combine that with a weak team that had no clue how to play, even after it was explained and understood English. It didn't work out.
Another example, in CN, the cleric had all epics but there was NOT a single enchant on his gear, and I don't mean the weapon and body enchantments. Not even a rank 1 gear for crying out loud. Yeah, that one obviously didn't go well either.
Like I said, GS isn't everything but there are way too many people out there with a poor combination of everything. While you can do some entry T2 in blues, don't expect to be successful in the upper half of them. While it's my own choice and normally bad decision to do dungeon queue, don't go in expecting people to carry you either. Others have the exact same thought and it ends up horribly. I have to say on the other flip side, there are times you can get into great groups as well and face roll everything.
Up to you, the pvp set will let you live better, but it's also not that hard to get the grim set, you can get it purely from gauntlegrym and then trading it for the pvp grim sets. You get 2 seal of triumphs a day, one from pvp victory (including gg pvp) in trade of blades and the other for rhixs gg pvp daily. You can do the t1 dungeon a few times over to get more gg coins.
TotS and DV are good examples - all 5 players have to know the mechanics and their individual roles/placement to succeed. They'll fail even if they have all purples with lvl8 enchants.
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I'm lvl 60, nearly full Black Ice gear, all boons, nearly all powers, done every area, finished MOST dungeons, have every profession to rank 20, and I STILL find loads of fun to do. There's collections to complete, guildies to help level, RP to do, Foundries to explore, general running amuck, events to come, and there's no "end game" really if you're just here to have fun. Lvl 60 is just the start.
"Why is it dragons only use ketchup? I'd like a little wasabi please. Us silvers like a variety of condiments."
"Don't call them foolish mortals. One, they don't learn from it. Two, It just ticks them off." - An Ancient Red Dragon
Excellent, upbeat response! We need more of these types of reponses in these forums.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."