How to 100% perma?

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• unrealized1977 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 100

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  Hey man,
  
  I am not going to elaborate in great detail, however you main stats come into play, Most Perma's have a high INT, which allows them to reduce cooldown rates on powers. You never mentioned your base stats, if INT is low you need to respec and move points into INT

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• dakbur Member Posts: 152 Bounty Hunter

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  unrealized1977 wrote: »

  Hey man,
  
  I am not going to elaborate in great detail, however you main stats come into play, Most Perma's have a high INT, which allows them to reduce cooldown rates on powers. You never mentioned your base stats, if INT is low you need to respec and move points into INT

  
  I mentioned my recharge speed (>30%), which int is a factor in... But since you asked, I don't recall my precise int roll, but it was as high as a halfling can get (15?), I can see how another 1% at lev 60 might let me get B&S off, but I expect my recharge would be much more than 30% & I thought 30% is what was needed for 100% perma...
  
  (and before you ask, yes... I put a point to int at each stage along the way)

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• f2pma Member Posts: 665 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  26% recharge speed
  5 feats in more stealth
  profound armor
  5pts -twilight adapt
  ss and bait can maintain perma stealth if u dodge 3 times easy.
  thats like 80% more stealth with 3 dodges
  
  in real pvp it doesnt work like that coz of many reasons so u use itc..
  but if u use gloaming u can be very close

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• dakbur Member Posts: 152 Bounty Hunter

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  nikofromcroatia wrote: »

  INT / CON stat allocation
  
  Silvers for Recovery with Recovery based gear.
  Radiants for Defense.
  
  BnS / ITC / SS

  
  I have all that. I see everyone talk about being able to 100% perma at 30% recharge rate & I just don't see how this is done or if I'm missing something...
  
  You say B&S>ITC>SS... that doesnt sound like 100% perma... that sounds like 95% perma, is that what everyone does that claims full perma? I sear I've been killed by TRs before I was one myself and I never caught a glimpse of them...

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• dakbur Member Posts: 152 Bounty Hunter

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  f2pma wrote: »

  26% recharge speed
  5 feats in more stealth
  profound armor
  5pts -twilight adapt
  ss and bait can maintain perma stealth if u dodge 3 times easy.
  thats like 80% more stealth with 3 dodges
  
  in real pvp it doesnt work like that coz of many reasons so u use itc..
  but if u use gloaming u can be very close

  
  Ah, that makes a lot more sense... so the best I can do pre-60 set bonus is to 5/5 twilight adept & dodge roll... probably impossible

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• rustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  You want the original perma from INTRogue (or whoever pioneered that) and follow the advice they already gave. I would only add:
  

  Dazzling Blades: 1/2/3/4/5% change to reduce your encounter cooldown when using At-Will powers.

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• dronzale Member Posts: 36

  July 2014 edited July 2014

  not sure if you got that from the other posts...
  
  but your problem is that you don't have the extra 20/25/30% stealth from T1/2 lvl60 gear set bonus... Skulker/Grim/Profound and more are giving that bonus.
  
  30% recharge speed is more than enough... you don't need high INT if you have 30% recharge speed.
  
  just remember that to maintain 100% perma you do need to add in the dodge rolls.
  
  BTW - it is indeed possible to be 100% perma in PVP, a specially if you play Whisperknife... than you have a lot less of a chance to get cought since you're playing ranged.

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• kweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User

  July 2014 edited July 2014

  Stealth is base 6 seconds.
  
  ■ Improved Cunning Sneak = +20%
  ■ PvP gear set bonus = +30%
  
  ★ So, currently, maximum stealth is basically 9 seconds in duration.
  
  ★ Ideally speaking you will use stealth refill in SS → BnS → SS order, which allows you a maximum of 4 stealth durations, and then expose you at the end of the 4th where you'll probably have around 1~2 seconds left with both BnS and SS. (A total of 36 seconds spent in stealth)
  
  ★ If you extend it with BnS the first time, after your 3rd stealth duration you meet the situation described above. (A total of 27 seconds spent in stealth)
  
  ★ However, in both cases above, you will be exposed because at some point after each stealth refill, there comes a time where BnS and SS will not be ready to use when your stealth ends.
  
  ★ Systematically speaking, in order to avoid this you need the BnS recharge under 18 seconds, and SS recharge under 9. BnS default recharge is IIRC 26 seconds, SS is 16. In order for BnS to come lower than 18 seconds you need higher than 31% recharge reduction. In order for SS to come under 9, you need higher than 44%.
  
  Hence, in terms of pure systematic requirements it is impossible t0 "100% perma". This is where feats like Twilight adept come in. Like mentioned, usually after either the 3rd or 4th consecutive stealth duration you meet a situation where both BnS and SS is in recharge by 1~3 seconds left on the timer. Assuming the worst-case scenario of 3 seconds left, you need to achieve a total of 50% stealth refreshment your last stealth duration.
  
  ■ 5/5 Twilight Adept = 5 dodges
  ■ 5/5 Sneaky Stabber = 5 Gloaming Cuts
  
  So, in your last stealth duration, if you roll twice and hit GC three times on any target, you will extend your stealth long enough to earn enough time for either/both BnS and SS to recharge.
  
  Ofcourse, since usually TRs nowadays pretty much hate using GC, usually they simply resort to ITC to cover up the vulnerability time. Conversely, for someone facing a perma, it is highly likely that the perma will become briefly visible to you after 27~36 seconds into the fight. Be ready to plant a few attacks with a Bilethorn weapon.

  Stop making excuses. Be a man.
  If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
  Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  

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• rustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User

  July 2014 edited July 2014

  Frankly, I'm convinced that the "perma" in permastealth came from the fact that (see INTRogue's videos) in 36 seconds, all targets would have been long dead, before the TR hits the stealth limit... Since tenacity has been introduced, the concept was recycled with ITC, so that the TR can cover the vulnerability time between two or more stealth rotations.

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