Trying to find a GF build--help appreciated

shinnyshin · June 2014

Hi, recently returned GF player here; I'm getting back into the game after a loooooooooooong hiatus, back when there was only one paragon path per class and things were very different. I recently came back to this game (leveling up a CW this time) and found my almost-60 GF's build a complete mess..so I'm looking around for good respec options. With other classes, there seem to be a few names and builds that're almost community staples at this point to which everyone is referred when wondering which archetype to run. With the GF, I'm not seeing nearly as many such guides/builds that're up to date, so I'm hoping people here either know of a few or could give me a brief rundown on what my options at least are.

evalira · June 2014

It's not your build that's a complete mess - it's the class itself. Hence why there are no recent guides. GF is currently the least liked class to play or have in your group (unless you want to run FH all day). My advice would be to save your respec token and time until the devs get round to improving this class, which apparently they are going to "attempt", but no one knows when.

Here's waiting for the day GF's get the OP treatment that GWF had (and continue to have)

Peace to all brah -from the one and only GF elite (which is better than a GF master by the way, lol)

emilemo · June 2014

Well, when creating a build I think it's best to look at yourself ( not others ) and just play till you learn how things work. Once you know how the GF currently works and assuming you still want to play one, then build it according to your playstyle.

shinnyshin · June 2014

It's that bad? I'd heard mixed accounts, ranging from: "We're a bit weak but you can definitely make it work in PvE and especially PvP with a good spec--it's just harder" to "Oh god this is miserable". Was hoping it was the former as I do enjoy the playstyle...

emilemo wrote: »

Well, when creating a build I think it's best to look at yourself ( not others ) and just play till you learn how things work. Once you know how the GF currently works and assuming you still want to play one, then build it according to your playstyle.

While this is lovely advice for some situations, I am level 57 and understand the core mechanics...I won't exactly improve (or fairly assess whether I want to continue in the class) by running around at level 60 with a horrible build until I theorycraft it all out; there's a reason beginners are encouraged to go cookie-cutter until they get a sense for things and have the resources to enable experiment...a build/guide/instruction sheet gives you a starting framework that you use to build on your knowledge. Look at how much good Grimah's Wizard guide--or even just his build--does for a neophyte.

thynael21 · June 2014

The Problem is: are you going for PVP or PVE?
How well are you geared? All the feats you are going to spec - depend on how good your overall gear is now and what you're aiming for...
Are you looking for comfortability or efficiency?

vasdamas · June 2014

Keep lvling CW. GF isn't viable class atm. You can still play and enjoy it of course but when it comes to LFG...
Lf1m GF for FH is the best you can find. Noone cares if you got friggin tired of that dungeon or not...

Hopefully the devs will give all GFs a free respec after they revamp the class.

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

shinnyshin wrote: »

Hi, recently returned GF player here; I'm getting back into the game after a loooooooooooong hiatus, back when there was only one paragon path per class and things were very different. I recently came back to this game (leveling up a CW this time) and found my almost-60 GF's build a complete mess..so I'm looking around for good respec options. With other classes, there seem to be a few names and builds that're almost community staples at this point to which everyone is referred when wondering which archetype to run. With the GF, I'm not seeing nearly as many such guides/builds that're up to date, so I'm hoping people here either know of a few or could give me a brief rundown on what my options at least are.

What do you want for a build?

PvP DPS?
PvP Tank?
PvE Tank?

We have a lot of great players that can show you what they use and why, but they need to know your goal? With that said, I will say there is no good build that will succeed well. They all have down falls, and all have good sides. Most of us roll a Conq hybrid spec.

masterjewstar · June 2014

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?566921-The-Iron-Maiden-A-Reflect-Based-Protector-Build-for-Swordmaster-GF-s

Its the build I use and built off of its a solid tank and the aggro generation from this build is hard to beat.

shinnyshin · June 2014

masterjewstar wrote: »

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?566921-The-Iron-Maiden-A-Reflect-Based-Protector-Build-for-Swordmaster-GF-s

Its the build I use and built off of its a solid tank and the aggro generation from this build is hard to beat.

Thankee kindly, I'll definitely read up on it! Saw this one on MMOminds but was having trouble assessing the ratings there and telling what was up to date.

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

What do you want for a build?

PvP DPS?
PvP Tank?
PvE Tank?

We have a lot of great players that can show you what they use and why, but they need to know your goal? With that said, I will say there is no good build that will succeed well. They all have down falls, and all have good sides. Most of us roll a Conq hybrid spec.

The biggest problem for me at this point is not knowing what's available. When last I played, I was a PvE tank who did a bit of damage with lots of disruption and could (eventually) 1v1 most anything in PvP while holding nodes indefinitely; I suppose that made me more of a very tanky bruiser. I'm guessing that's not on the table anymore from what I'm reading. So I guess I'd like to primarily be a PvE tank--and if I could solo clear quests or occasionally dip into PvP, that'd be nice too...though not at the expense of my ability to dungeon/skirmish tank. Thanks again for the help!

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

shinnyshin wrote: »

Thankee kindly, I'll definitely read up on it! Saw this one on MMOminds but was having trouble assessing the ratings there and telling what was up to date.

The biggest problem for me at this point is not knowing what's available. When last I played, I was a PvE tank who did a bit of damage with lots of disruption and could (eventually) 1v1 most anything in PvP while holding nodes indefinitely; I suppose that made me more of a very tanky bruiser. I'm guessing that's not on the table anymore from what I'm reading. So I guess I'd like to primarily be a PvE tank--and if I could solo clear quests or occasionally dip into PvP, that'd be nice too...though not at the expense of my ability to dungeon/skirmish tank. Thanks again for the help!

For Pve
Well I don't PvE unless the DEVS force me too, but when I tried to do some D&D GF weren't sought after to do so... I reccomend to you a mor DPS oriented spec as taking 10 mins to kill the first group will get old fast. I would go with a DPS tank build for Pve / Pvp.

For Pvp however
I may be scrutinized for saying this, but I am a GF and in my experience there is no Bruiser Tank in PVP as a GF! Our defensive mitigation is chewed thru super fast, we lack mobility other then Lunging Strike and Threatening Rush, we deal ok damage at times, and ridiculously low at others. We cannot take a node alone, nor can we defend a node alone at least against ( TR / HR / GWF ) if a CW comes you are both almost even, DC wont kill you, and you will pluck her down slowly, and another GF class vs same class is always a 50%.

So with that said you can get all your extra debuff tank feats and you will live 1 hit longer then me. I mean that facetiously of course as you may be a superior player and out live me forever, but I have DPS specced GF 47.8% DR with your super tank build you may be around 50%-52% you will take 3%-5% less damage? Getting hit for 15k+ ABS I will feel the same for you and I...

Personally I think you need a balance of decent survivability and some offensive prowess, knock backs / prones, etc. Because you will NOT be a master of any situation you will be a follow up assist, knock people of bridge or nodes player, or keep the DC / CW alive guy.

My 2 cents

borak2 · June 2014

vasdamas wrote: »

Keep lvling CW. GF isn't viable class atm. You can still play and enjoy it of course but when it comes to LFG...
Lf1m GF for FH is the best you can find. Noone cares if you got friggin tired of that dungeon or not...

Hopefully the devs will give all GFs a free respec after they revamp the class.

This isn't true at all. I get picked for every t2 dungeon. GF's are good for every dungeon if the person playing the GF knows what they are doing. And after you do a few dungeons and make some friends you start getting picked for more and more. I have no problem logging in and doing a dungeon within 20 minutes or so.

I don't need dungeons(I'm fully geared for how I like him atm) but run the dungeons for the drake seals to salvage the items. I'm a full conq spec but always tweaking him.I'm not happy with my HP and deflect scores.

grimah · June 2014

tip 1: go conqueror to end feat + Iron vanguard.

tip 2: get regen and lifesteal to aroudn 1k

tip 3: aim for over 30k hp to start with.

then try and deal as much damage as possible, because otherwise you will be dead weight (People who say otherwise most likely do not play other classes). try and get arp to around 16-20%, stack power where you can on your equiped gear.

You do not need specific builds to hold agro (if you slot enhanced mark). But if you don't use it, yourll need as much damage as you can get, (adding the battle trample feat in tactician will also help.)

Good dirt cheap starting gear would be:

GG coins set indomitable or trade for grim conqueror.
ring of revolts
frostpelt girdle
power lifesteal deflect neckless (or defense i cant remember)
waters artifact, bloodraven artifact (pvp).

stack arp on your pet + lifesteal/regen or whatever you need, Gem your equiped char for power or hp (conqueror end-feat only applies to equiped power).

Later you would want timeless 4/4, ancient or formorian weapons (or fallen dragon if you can get regen elsewhere).

query523 · June 2014

Ok going from the following. L57 and really want to play a GF PVE tank. Build Tactician and get a KC from T1s. They nerfed it but still a good starter set. Run your boons and get to IWD because you can build a decent BI set there. When you get to around 13k GS re-spec to Conq. All the approaches you developed as a Tactician will work with your conq build and you will hit harder. Caveat: Most players will never respect or recognize your contributions. Occassionally a party will wipe and you will spend 20 minutes kiting the whole room and whittling down the boss with lunges. While this leads to carpal it also makes an EPIC impression on all witnesses to the event.

Trying to find a GF build--help appreciated

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