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RNG Drops...Not Even Close...It's a DPS drop....
susp3kt
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 38 Arc User
I read the forums regularly and even give my opinion on items/topics from time to time....but this is my 1st thread.
I am SO FED UP with the way drops are set up in the M3/Ice Wind Dale.
I'd be fine with RNG.....it is what it is and I could accept that. But it's not.
The drops are completely biased to DPS....if you're a healer...go pound sand!!
I've run Kessell's like 40-50 times with many of my same guildies/friends. Yes, that's right...if you're a GWF or CW...you already have 3 or more in half as many runs. And me...my DC...go pound sand...you get nothing. I know the overall drop rate is being reduced with the patch, so if the drop equations aren't fixed, no point in going there anymore....
Oh, you want a main hand drop from a Beholder or Prospectors...forget it!
I won't even start on how the 20% BI resistance requirement to get into Kessell's is F'd....how could you overlook that??? Let's tell everyone they need 20% resistance....and then not let them in. Nice....
I sure hope this patch tomorrow fixes something, because this whole loot/drop system is trash....
I am SO FED UP with the way drops are set up in the M3/Ice Wind Dale.
I'd be fine with RNG.....it is what it is and I could accept that. But it's not.
The drops are completely biased to DPS....if you're a healer...go pound sand!!
I've run Kessell's like 40-50 times with many of my same guildies/friends. Yes, that's right...if you're a GWF or CW...you already have 3 or more in half as many runs. And me...my DC...go pound sand...you get nothing. I know the overall drop rate is being reduced with the patch, so if the drop equations aren't fixed, no point in going there anymore....
Oh, you want a main hand drop from a Beholder or Prospectors...forget it!
I won't even start on how the 20% BI resistance requirement to get into Kessell's is F'd....how could you overlook that??? Let's tell everyone they need 20% resistance....and then not let them in. Nice....
I sure hope this patch tomorrow fixes something, because this whole loot/drop system is trash....
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I am pretty sure the drop chance is NOT based on DPS. It *MAY* be partially related to the number of people involved in the fight, but even that is subject to debate (unless there has been an official post I am unaware of)
Having said that, there is a patch on Preview now, which should go live tomorrow....and that will make things easier for DCs and GFs, as healing and damage taken will count even more than before. I do expect to see TRs start to complain afterwards, though.
The time I managed to be there already when it spawned, I got junky green materials and a potion and not even a lousy rank 4 to feed to my artifact. :P
Granted with my latency, I doubt half my attacks even register on the server in time, so it probably thinks I'm doing like 3 damage, 62k Lashing Blade crits not withstanding. :P
I have read on the forum ppl that just poke the remo or beholder run away stand back let others do the work got bracers and weapons
or get late when the remo or beholder is at 25% , do a couple of hits get the bracers or weapon
and not only that, the same ppl that win those keep getting them that they salvage them
if this is rng than it stinks,oh just got a title for HE's now I can show every body that I have done a lot of HE's and still no bracers or weapon.I will go with the bears let them claw me to death
and in most epic I am first or 3th ,so something is very wrong here.
and this will never work epic he's are for 10 or less ppl and they let it spawn in a openworld,for me those epic HE's should be like skirmish you get 1 hour to test your luck if you dont get it you wait for the other one
and kessel should be a dungeon not skirmish
So its all of them at once.
I didn't know it was based on damage taken as well... no wonder I've been making a killing on these heh. Between my DPS, my own healing/lifesteal, massive amounts of damage taken, and following the script, I'm doing great.
Needless to say how
Please someone notify this failure to the devs.
Thank you
Worst part?
We did these HEs in 5 men, all friends group. Nobody passed by, nobody touched the mobs - but us.
Neither of us got any epics...
I must clarify....I was referring to Kessell's with the title, I should have been more clear. I certainly can't explain it, it's just that I see GWF's and CW's getting the vast majority of all the artifact drops on my runs....and that in my chat with people, it seems as though they are receiving the bulk of the multi-artifact drops as well (on sevral runs, not on the same one).
In regard to the HEs, I have heard and read that the DC needs to focus on heals and not debuffs. That makes sense to me, but the difficulty in that being one of the primary/deciding value...is that not every DC is feated for heals. I am a 15.5k GS DC, run high prophet and greater terror. My build is all about buff/debuff. So it is very unlikely that I will ever top the healing 'charts' even with a healing rotation. Add to that that the majority, IMO, of high GS classes stack life steal and there isn't always that much healing needed anyway.
Just for comparison, I have 4 Orbs on my CW, with fewer runs....than my DC who has not received a single Main Hand.
Also, I am well aware that it should be difficult....the we should all need to work for these items. I also realize that we can't even refine the main hand for almost another 2 weeks. I am just stating what appears to be some inconsistencies between the drop requirements/frequency between classes.
I finally got my bracers on my CW earlier today and can hit Kessell's for about 4-5 hours before the patch, so I'll have a chance to test the theory in advance of the update....and not that it will matter after....
Cheers and happy hunting....
-Changed power because it was to hard for people to figure out.
-Introduced cryptic invisible scoring system for distribution of loot that will give you no feedback about what to do better.
I crack myself up!
You can get purified and corrupt black ice cloaks and rings , corrupt and purified lesser enchantments and the black ice beholder artifact , those are half decent rewards for not too much work.
"Heroic Encounter Major and Epic scoring for has been updated:
The chance to get an epic item from a Heroic Success has been slightly lowered.
The participation requirement to get the Heroic Success participation level of rewards has been lowered.
Healing and damage taken participation scoring values has been greatly increased.
The overall effect should be that it is easier to qualify and receive the best rewards for all classes, but especially for tanking and healing roles."
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
Official NW_Legit_Community Forums
K tbh this make about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine....we all know theres major issues with the encounter RNG by itself and throw into the mix the sub-set of additional scoring values and your setting yourself up for trouble. And why was the drop % lowered? Has dying during the Major and Epic encounters been taken into consideration? As in I die due to the Black Ice Damage the Named and trash puts out get revived or self rez due to enchantment does the scoring values I had up to the point of my death reset if so theres another major flaw right there. If not addressed correctly this whole mod is a complete bust aside from a few fluff things and yes I have received not one Black Ice piece since launch on my GF...but hey I got that wonderful 50 encounter plus achievment as a parting gift.
My thoughts on the matter are that they adjusted things so more people are able to qualify for the higher tiers of HE participation rewards, but lowered the chance of getting the best items from said rewards to account for the increased number of people that would be getting said higher-end rewards.
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
Official NW_Legit_Community Forums
I got caught in his slam when he was at about 5% and was not rezzed in time. I stayed dead on the ground hoping I would still qualify for the rewards (didn't want to rez and be out of range). Once the rest of the group finished off the beholder I got the Weapon in my reward.
I have almost 100 major encounters done and I have NEVER, EVER gotten a "Heroic success", even if I did half of the encounter by myself.
The scoring/reward determining method id bull****.
I mean ...seriously you think they are with the players????
U qq about something they need to buff... They nerf it.
Example;
we complaint about arms drop rate.... They punish us and reduce it.
There.
You all need to learn the rules in neverwinter.
When new stuff (module,promotions,etc) comes up :
1.-the drop rates are up there and drop decently..
2.- all the players who were fortunate enough to take advantage of if... Good for them.
3.- then heres comes the hammer/nerf/cryptic suppervisor with the patch and...
4.- bam !!! All other players are screwed ...almost for life with that "new nerfed drop rate"
i should know better. I got 3 chars. I got 1 gwf,1 tr and 1 gf.
On the first day of iwd my gwf got 2 arms
on the first day of iwd my tr got 2 arms and 2 off hands weap from beholder.
On the first day and still specially after patch my gf have got NOTHING
welcome to neverwinter!
Offtop: Is there any more alt-unfriendly game out there? I mean collecting all this stuff for multiple toons would take years... And ffs why arent weps/gloves boa instead of bop?