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malphaeous
Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 88
I am only posting this because I haven't seen anyone else cover this aspect of crit. There IS a hard cap on crit, and when you hit it you don't only stop building crit you start going backwards. its around 52% not sure what the exact number on the actual crit score is, when I was @ 52% I wound up adding a piece of gear with higher crit on it and started dropping. I know that @ 3352 I'm @ 50%, and I have been over 4k and under 49%. before you start flaming me check it yourself. By going too high on your crit you seem to actually nerf yourself. I've had to drop a lot of crit gear to get mine back to a reasonable amount. If anyone has any more info on this please let me know, does this effect bring your crit back up when fighting an opponent with high crit resistance? or is the stat truly wasted?
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crit is worst stat for tr to stack even defence makes more sence
the question was ( because it is entirely possible to get around 4500 crit without gems) if you go beyond the point where crit begins falling off does this bring your crit back up on a boss mob who has high crit resistance? or is it all truly wasted.
and tr doeasnt need 50% crit,str is more important
if you use Baelnorns ( Spelling?) exec build ( or some variation on it) and these stats your ST DPS is obscene.
hopefully we can now return to the topic and someone can actually answer the question rather than argue for the sake of argument...
boss lowering your crit? were u heard that u just make random stuff or what.then make a build around made up things.
im just saying what makes more dmg coz u dont have a clue what you are doing.if u had u would know 5%crit makes no big difference
if you want to discuss builds im an exec build with 5058 power, 3660 ( 49.7%) crit, 2431 (23.4%) arpen, 1489 rec, 654 CA Bonus, 2012 deflect, and 1997 (12.5%) life steal. I took nothing that didnt increase my dmg for feats unless it was needed to move down the chain and I do out DPS CWs regularly. there is not a boss in this game I have not tanked.
I am sure that based on your previous comments that you are more skilled, experienced, and knowledgeable than me on the subjects of math, PVE builds Play style and and gear. so you should probably stop wasting your time trying to educate someone as ignorant as me.
last pve tr guide was 8 months ago.http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?505921-Trickster-Rogue-PvE-Executioner-Build
no one bothers with dead pve class except you.
so go theory craft something that makes 100k more dmg per dungeon so your anual dmg gets better lol
seriously if it wasnt for kweassa and guys like you trs would get a pve,pvp combat,wk buff long time ago.
good players or atleast normal people do teory crafting,then they test and if its any good they post it as finished result
you people skipp all the parts and just post some ideas which u didnt even bother to test before.later it
turnes out it doesnt work BUT U DO SAME THING AGAIN lol post some more ideas.and that is going on for months now.
but you do that for a reason.if u have fotm build and lose that hurts u so much so u rather play some wacky non viable build for excuse.
its the skill that matters and u cant show skill if the build is not viable..i dont want to lose coz my build is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> only when enemy is better.
its abouth the skill not build. you cant copy skill.so when i come across another fotm tr then the fun starts.
oh and my build is original 24str perma dwarf.
Excuse the would-be 40k hp WK with a crazy build still kicking *** in Domination. But don't get any funky ideas just yet while this turkey is still in the oven. Coz like he said, I'm not posting any builds until it's tested and ready for public consumption.
thats cool i know its realy hard to teory craft with tr coz he doesnt have any dmg potential and all goes on survival and dot.
i dont mind different build infact cant wait for one. even better if its wk.
my rank 6,7 were enough to get to page 2 solo q i realy hope your build is better.
im just saying there is same old build last 10 months that is viable nothing else came even close.
when nerfs to PvP TRs effect our role in PvE if enough people speak up the devs might not hit us with the nerf bat, or at least they might soften the blow, which is good for PvP TRs as well so rather than discourage the PvE aspect of the class perhaps you should stand aside and let us do our thing, and just maybe new players will choose this class for PvE and strengthen our voice as a whole.
in the interest of this I will post my complete build ,and the math and reasoning behind what all I have spent points to and even the mistakes I believe I made both first time around and currently. you can troll and flame me if you like but it doesn't help our class if you see mistakes that i have made and not pointed out feel free to point them out but be constructive. this post will be up this weekend, as I said earlier most vaible builds have already been posted and this is nothing but a variation on one of them. weather you PvE or PvP this is a fun class to play, so don't discourage new ideas in either aspect of the game, if you do you weaken our class which is foolish.
nah its dead for most trs
point of the pve is to make some ad fast,easy not wait 40 min in lfg channel
For PvE, power > crit after crit reaches ~2000 (it depends on the crit chance and enchantment you use + I'm too lazy to do the calculation), power has been reworked and it's a much better stat now.
Also, STR > DEX because 1% dmg > 1% crit
You seem to have this wierd concept of "theorycrafting in forums" where everything should be sliced, diced,cooked, prepared and served prettily in a dish upon your table, so you can immediately stick a fork, grab a bite, and enjoy everything laid out before you. Except.. that's not theorycrafting. That's just consuming the end-product like every other person with a copy/paste build does.
This is the forums. We dish out ideas, exchange thoughts, try to think of new concepts and possibilities. Most of those we try to confirm ourselves, but a lot of those we need testing and cooperation with people with an open-mind. How many of our ideas and thoughts have you actually tested out yourself before just branding it "not viable"?
I respect the skeptics just as any other person since I figure it is just another kind of opinion. But when it borders on these levels then that's not just skpeticism. That's an inquisition.
I still remember the very early days I started appearing here. I remember this "criticism" very vividly.
I'm not sure who it was from, but probably slushpsycho.. and it was along these lines;
Your tone runs dangerously close to this... and all I gotta say is.. LOL.... Dude, really?
We're all people who enjoy playing a game here. We're interested in new stuff and some new ideas.. and just what it is that makes people like you feel so threatened by it.. I really cannot understand. In all probability most of our ideas and suggestions are attempts to rememdy an already existing disadvantage between builds/paragon paths anyway. Like you said, in the very high competitive level most of our ideas probably will not work, or at least not as well as expected.. your "viable builds" will probably be the winners still... so just what exactly is the problem?
Was there some Central Dogma like the Catholics have in these forums? Was there an Inquisition going on? Did us 'infidels' threaten some kind of "TR Spirituality and Faith in MI Builds" or something? LOL;;; This is so awesomely wierd. Why do people act like this?
But that's how ideas are born in the first place. It starts from brainstorming from various sources with a variety of interests. Ideas don't come from brain-washed totalitarian environment where everyone follows one code of existence.
Everything begins from something small, people joke and kid about it until someone actually tries it. That's creativity. And even if you may not agree with it, it is another important process of fun in PvP. Coming up with new ideas and solutions, whether it is viable or not.
When you were a child and you played with LEGO™ blocks, did you always have an architectural plan to come up with a fully functioning structure of whatever you deem worthy to build? That's not how creativity and ideas work. In most cases people make it up as they go along. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. There is nothing wrong or strange with this process and there is also nothing strange about people having fun with it.
For some reason, you hate the fact "people like me" are having fun with this process. That's too bad. Sorry for your troubled childhood or whatever reason that makes you want to scorn and ridicule people goofing around with ideas about a video game -- LOL. Do lighten up, will ya! :O
It's the fun that matters. You don't need skill to have fun.
Ofcourse, being inherently competitive in its nature, PvP does require you to win to maximize your fun in many cases. But what about the losers? What about the people that suck? What about the all sorts of players who would probably never become good enough to compete with premade level players?
Why do all those PuGs or casual players that your kind of people ridicule, make fun of, detest, despise, and deem absolutely worthless, stick around to play this game's PvP? Under your logic, since these "bads" have "no skill", they are worthless. They don't matter. So they shouldn't be playing.
So, who are you going to beat up when all of the 'bads' quit? Play the same premade matches with the same premade groups over and over and over again? You know what, if we go into these lines of logic, how about you? When there are only premade players left, are you good enough to survive and remain in the "final five" of the team? Are you the strongest and the best in your own guild? Do you not relatively suck when compared to the best of your own guild? In that case, you lack skill. Maybe you should quit as well, no?
...but of course, all of these sucky, n00by, PuG, clueless people play and enjoy PvP. They are always more numerous than premades will ever be, and they will always never give a shi* about some party-pooper yammering about "that will never work in premades!". (Actually, they'll probably never give a shi* about us theorycrafters as well, LOL!) ... but its all cool.
The world is a lot bigger than how the elitists see it.
Ofcourse, the elitist guys always sign off, pretending to keep their cool and say, "If that's fun for you, well then good luck.."... but the really funny thing is, they always come back. Didn't they just wish us "non-viable wastes" good luck and leave? LOL. But then, in a new thread, new topic with new ideas, they come back again and start pooping all over again.
Why do they do that??! Fascinating as always
"...Then its not viable in PvP. According to some very best TR players, if you want it to work then you have to build-up straight from the stats. Your stats are something that would never work in real premade-level PvP. Even the class is wrong..."
Heh heh heh. Joke, dude.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I'ma quote you on this for as long as play this game. Score one for the good guys xD
BnS SS <-- Allows for self-survival long enough to charge dailies; meanwhile
Disheartening Strike <-- stick this to every enemy in sight to debuff them
Smoke Bomb <-- exit out of stealth in the thickest of the fight, assisting your comrades
Whirlwind of Blades <-- from average AoE damage to a well-timed one-shot critter
+Vanguard's Banner <-- every two minutes or so
In a premade environment, my build performs a general assist/rescue role, with periodic AoE burst to kill off stragglers. The build works especially well in GG and OPvP, in the middle node in Domination, while still able to permastealth in the far node.
the thing that bothers me is every time someone mentiones buff to tr some trs jump like crazy and say its all good no need.
no idea why is that coz its clear trs lack dmg in pvp or pve.
so go ahead theory all you want but why do u mind asking for buff.
and i must say i rather play against perma infact i cant wait to 1v1 so if i win i feel i done something lol.
combat trs just run around with no stealth waiting to die. no fun for me.
again they need a buff lb,deft dazing what ever just if they finaly land it that should mean something. i just walk of that lb like it never happened.
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I'd go on to suggest that the devs MUST roll back the TR offensive capabilities in time for the stealth nerf. The OP in the old-days rogue was undeniably related to our stealth. They have crippled us once. Now they mean to take our right arm off, might as well return us our left arm.
why do we get nerfed? because someone who cant beat us cries, and we can't come together as a community and rebut their whining. we flame each other for having ideas, if anyone doesn't do it our way they are an idiot we hijack posts and completely change the topic so that no rational discussion happens, criticism is seldom constructive and we discourage an entire segment of game play within our ranks thereby keeping those who DO play and build their TRs for PVE silent on the forums, which as I stated earlier weakens our voice as a class even further.
in short we ( as a community ) probably deserve every nerf that we have suffered, and we will most likely continue to deserve these nerfs...
GG TRs !!!