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Suggestion - Disable roar until it will be fixed
znudenej
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Reason is obvious, thanks to Destroyer feats it does have 7-5sec CD, while it stuns for 2sec although I hope it will be fixed soon, now its gamebreaking because groups often contain stacked GWFs that can chain aoe perma stun just with roar without downtime.
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In the meantime, enjoy playing GWFs and Pathfinder HRs. Good, good times.
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Interrupt does have to silence you for xy secons IF you are casting power.
While roar gives you root and silence for 2 sec no matter what you are doing. Do you see now where it is gamebreaking?
In other words, its same as frontile surge but with 5sec(feated) CD + it goes through control immunity.
There is already answer about this bug from dev. team in bug report section its going to be fixed, but no ETA. It can be week, month,...We already know how long it takes to Cryptic fix something so until it will be fixed, it should be disabled.
GWF already does have enough encounters what he can use instead roar both in PvP and PvE so it will not ruin that class while its now ruining PvP for everybody else.
Even with the proposed changes to roar, it will still silence players, it will just loose it's root ability.
Roar is disabled until it is fixed.
From bug report section:
I don't have any problem about that it should silence players because you will have still some mobility.
ham, I think the "roar ignores dodge" phenomenon is simply a manifestation of "instant activation powers". I'm sure many people have described what this is before.
No developer has confirmed it so nobody knows just how the hit/miss calculations are handled, but the theory is that in most cases there exists a certain difference in between the visible animation of the power, and the actual activation of the power.
Many powers are intuitive in this way, but some powers are plain weird.
Your own beloved HR for example: from the receiving end, you can't dodge a power that a HR has already fired off -- even if you actually dodge the visible incoming projectile. You have to dodge before the shot leaves the HR's bow, because the hit/miss calculation is initiated the moment the HR activates the power. Therefore, from the receiving end, even if you have clearly went into dodge motion to evade the projectile, you're still constricted/disrupted/whatever.
Same with CWs and their frickin' instant-cast spells. When Entangling Force isn't activated yet, you see the "spellcasting" motion where the CW waves its arms. You dodge at that timing and think you're safe -- wrong. Your dodge is cancelled and you're entangled. You have to start dodging before the CW waves its arms.
GWFs are loaded with these sort of powers -- especially their CCs. Takedown -- need to start dodging before the GWF even raises the hilt of his blade. FSL -- need to dodge before the GWF even starts waving his arm horizontally. Roar -- need to start the dodge before roar is out -- or else, even if you clearly see that your character goes into a dodge at the same time the roar is out, you will be hit.
So in reality, dodging these types of powers is not actually dodging, but rather the enemy immediately firing off his power into the dodge/teleport which you've already started -- instead of the other way around.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
No, it interupts your dodge. Try roar on someone mid dodge, you'll stop them and stun them.
Easiest way to test this is on CWs since their dodge is long and obvious.
Roar is possible to dodge, we were testing it.
I can chain dodges and avoid takedown or FLS but 1 Roar and I'm stopped dead.
Same with frontline surge. And LOL the most interesting thing is this bug only occurs on GWF attacks with that power. Never saw getting any PF stacks on me after I dodge FS against GF.
WTB Class Reroll please
Reminds me of Impact Shot when it used to root a target for a short duration too.
WTB Class Reroll please
lol yeah! Today in pvp domination match it put my DF on 60 seconds CD which totally sent me into completely confused state >.>
Well, you should look at how people are complaining about Whirlwind of the blades now after SE nerf(another).
I count days till they start complaining about BB and CB (lol this one is a bane of steering GWFs and some unexp'd permas)
WTB Class Reroll please
As far as I can tell, the only class it stuns in PVP while in dodge is HR, and something around half the time. Honestly I don't see a problem with that, it should be 100% of the time else a HR would never die.
Guess u never played a GWF, or is too bad on maths cause the cd reduction is "50%" but, it reduces waiting time on +/-25% so it's 7~8 secs. 7 if have stacked recovery, 5 if u are stupid enought to sacrifice all your offense slots on r10 silver enchant.
Roar will be fixed so don't get used to it. Stacking maxed-out GWFs in a party will continue so get used to it.
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There is no problem with perma stealth . Right now it's the build that needs the most skill out there because even if 1 milisec goes wrong the tr is a real glass cannon . It's the far more stressful build to play in this game and i don't see the reason for it to be nerfed just because a handles gfw with no hands to play anything else says so .:D
Right, Roar will be fixed, thats true... For example how long we had here CN DD chest exploit? Bugged textures in CN? How long we had here bugged VP? Arm. pen. is not still working after year. Even for Smogon it was more then 5 months until fixpatch. Roar is bugged since launch, its true it was not a big deal until Relentless Battle Fury feat but its problem now. I'm sure GWF will be stacked even after fix to eternity. I'm not naive about that there will be ever a rock-paper-scissors or any other kind of balance.
I'm not asking for nerf or boost. I'm asking to do at least fast hotfix until will it will be done right for things that can have strong influence for gameplay.
While Roar was in bug report for many times and that bug is well know it was carelessness.
When I think about it, how long it could take to do change CD reduction value for Roar to 0 in that feat until there will be Roar fixpatch. Then change value to 50, edit tooltip and you are done.
PS: disable a class for week (atleast in PvP)... usefull for see the effects of various classes in NW
(and also good for PW wallet and better of the stupid requirement for 2 toons in IW).