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Companions Max level restrictions and why the level restrictions should be removed

iamcoverediamcovered Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 4 Arc User
edited May 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
It seems to me that the companions are a tease. You have 4 types and they are common (white), uncommon (green), rare (blue), and epic (purple). Here is why I think that they are a tease. Each type is only allowed to raise to a fixed level, but in the description of powers they have a 3rd power that "unlocks" at level 30. The dice set for playing on the website show what the dice will be at level 30. However, the only type that is available to reach level 30 is the epic (purple) and so far the only way to get an epic is to use Zen to buy one or to use real money to get a starter pack that has one. Yes I know you can us AD to buy one from the auction house but I, as so many of us, don't have the millions of AD that are needed to buy one of these elite epic companions.

So here is my suggestion.
Remove the level caps on the companions. Let them all reach level 30.
Here is my reasoning.
Just as there is different class of gear, common, uncommon, rare and epic, each type of class of gear is found at every level and the difference in that gear are the "stats" based on the "class". You could, with common gear, go out and defeat every encounter, yes the challenge increases with common gear, but it is possible to do.
So why the level restrictions on companions?
Each "class", (common, uncommon, rare, epic) already have the balance built into them buy their stats, skills and bonus to the player, so why then put a level cap on them?

Leave your feedback please and let the Neverwinter team know your thoughts about this too.
Thanks
Jack
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  • mystagoguemystagogue Member Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    They can all reach 30. You just have to pay AD's (quite a bit) for those that are limited.
  • ladymythosladymythos Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 637 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2014
    I agree that the level cap on companions should be removed. The reason is quite simple: While you can spend a ton of ADs to increase your companions rank (white to gree, green to blue, blue to purple), who in their right mind does that? It costs 300k ADs just to turn a white companion into a green, and then 750k to make it blue. Even then it can only reach lvl 25. I don't even want to think about how much it'll cost to get a blue to purple. So even if I only take a white to blue, it'll cost me over a million ADs. That's a whole lot of ADs I can find a much, much, MUCH better use for elsewhere.

    As a result, very few people bother rank up their companion, but stick to the ones that are already blue or purple. And that again, obviously, means most companions won't ever see any use at max level. They can have some use before that, but at max level? Forget it. If the max level was removed, however, it means we can freely pick whatever companion we want to use, and we'd see a whole lot more diversity in the game. And diversity is good, right? Who wants a clone war?
  • mystagoguemystagogue Member Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The active bonuses vary. Some of the active bonuses are worth leveling up some of the companions for. Also, leveling a green to blue will open the final gear slot.
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This is all hyperbole.
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  • calvin1tagcalvin1tag Member Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    It's one of the many AD sinks in the game - it's optional you don't have to do it and as far as "who in their right mind does it" I guess I'm crazy as I've done many white and green companions upgrades to purple. I like that I have some of the only companions around that are upgraded to full from white and green and some of the active bonuses are the best in game IMO on these companions
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  • lazaroth666lazaroth666 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Yeah same here, my sellsword lv 30 granting me 300 power which was very nice with the DG premod3, dancing blade 765k in the WB and I had to upgrade it for 750k more for 5% crit sev, blink dog is green quality but once is epic we have 5% CA dmg which is very nice, had to spent 1.25m for that. The thing is that if you want to receive these nice buffs, you have to spend AD just like if you are upgrading your enchantments, runestones etc. The sellsword is like an extra radiant enchantment rank 10, it's a cheaper upgrade if you see it in that way.
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  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    There is no mandate to upgrade companions. Those who do so, are not forced to do it. And I suspect its still a large source of income funding the game. If you remove that...How would that funding be paid for, and by who?

    If everyone can rank up companions fully, for no additional cost. Then higher priced purple companions would simply become worthless. Why bother with a Galeb Duhr when your free guard can be leveled up to do the same job? What would be the point in purchasing ANY companion with all the lower level companions offered for free, or as event, and incentive bonuses?

    And if you remove that, then we end up with a system where every pet MUST be paid for. And then this no longer becomes an optional system where most of us can get by as is. With a little encouragement to pay into it if you want that little extra bonus. Instead, it will become a system where EVERYONE will have to pay into it fully, weather they want the full bonus or not. That simply does not seem like a system that will sell well to the community.
  • tyrtallowtyrtallow Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    "Who in their right mind does that?" A lot of us, actually. lazaroth666 is correct, even if you had to start with a white companion (say, a sellsword) upgrading them to purple rank costs "only" 300k+500k+750k=1.55M AD.
    Compare to a rank 10 radiant enchantment (same bonus, +300 power) which atm costs a staggering 4.1M. Compare to an rank 10 empowered runestone, which atm costs 2.8M (almost 2x the cost). Consider the cleric companion, which gives +300 regen at purple rank. There's not even an enchantment equivalent of that.

    I don't know why you haven't noticed this since you're the one bringing it up, but upgrading companions is a much more lucrative way to increase your stats than getting a rank 10 enchantment. And you also get a potentially useful purple companion, besides.
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  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'd also like to point out that at 500 AD per 1 Zen, a purple companion will cost about 1.25 million ADs, so with the market the way it's been lately, it's actually cheaper to upgrade a green.
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  • eldartheldarth Member Posts: 4,494 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    sockmunkey wrote: »
    There is no mandate to upgrade companions. Those who do so, are not forced to do it. And I suspect its still a large source of income funding the game. If you remove that...How would that funding be paid for, and by who?

    Exactly. Welcome to the glorious world of F2P microtransactions.
    Instead of a set monthly fee, we'll nickle and dime you to death and many people will end up paying more than a subscription fee -- after all, it's only a dollar here and there. Adds up.


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  • tyrtallowtyrtallow Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I prefer to look at it as an exercise in player equal opportunity, with the success determining factor being financial deviousness (gear-wise, at least).
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  • ladymythosladymythos Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 637 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2014
    Why would anyone pay 1.5 million ADs to upgrade a white companion to purple, instead of just buying a purple right away even cheaper? :confused:

    And think about it: If we could upgrade for free, purples would be worthless. But since we can't, white, green and purples are useless. The whole system is flawed from the start. And as for "where would they make money?", that's easy enough. Simply give us other things to spend money on. Sell other stuff in the Zen-store people actually want to buy. I don't quite buy the "we need to make money somehow" and selling us a lot of HAMSTER, when tons of other successful F2P games does the exact thing you say can't be done. Just because you're a F2P-game, it doesn't mean you are unique and have to reinvent fire. Take Path of Exile, for instance. They only sell cosmetic stuff in theit store, yet they are doing fine. So why can't Neverwinter?
  • morsitansmorsitans Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,284 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2014
    ladymythos wrote: »
    Why would anyone pay 1.5 million ADs to upgrade a white companion to purple, instead of just buying a purple right away even cheaper? :confused:

    For their active bonuses. Some of the white comps get great active bonuses at 30, while some of the 'start at purple' comps have crappy bonuses. Most people will be using an augment as their summoned companion most of the time anyway.
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    It's a AD sink and many players use it now because of the open pvp and active bonuses , not to mention some maxed out actives are really good in regular pve too , the cost to upgrade is very unlikely to ever be removed although the new upgrade tokens that are in lockboxes were a move in the right direction but badly implemented , maybe a price reduction and alternative ways to earn the upgrade tokens would be more probable to be added in future .
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  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ladymythos wrote: »
    I agree that the level cap on companions should be removed. The reason is quite simple: While you can spend a ton of ADs to increase your companions rank (white to gree, green to blue, blue to purple), who in their right mind does that? It costs 300k ADs just to turn a white companion into a green, and then 750k to make it blue. Even then it can only reach lvl 25. I don't even want to think about how much it'll cost to get a blue to purple. So even if I only take a white to blue, it'll cost me over a million ADs. That's a whole lot of ADs I can find a much, much, MUCH better use for elsewhere.

    Excluding white companions (green ones are quite easy to get for free/cheap promotions or buy from AH at a reasonable price), the cost to upgrade a companion to purple is 1,25mil. While being quite a big sum, it might be a good or bad investment, depending on several factors.

    First, do you really need a purple companion? I mean, you can upgrade your basic white cleric to purple, but will it be any better? Nope, the difference is quite negligible and you will only get some +stat as active bonus, you'd get far more with far less by upgrading your enchantments if they are still low, or getting better equipment off the AH.

    Second, check if there is a companion that has roughly the same function, but it's already purple and possibly on sale or in the AH or in the current lockbox. As for the healing companion example above, there was a Lillend promotion a few weeks ago, and you can still find Lillends for far less than the upgrade cost.

    Third, how far are you into enchantments? If you mostly have r6-r7 stuff, upgrading your companion before upgrading your equipment might be a bad choice. Especially in case of a striker companion, their damage will always be negligible compared to yours.
  • ermesisermesis Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Excuse me, guys, does anybody know what are those coins with a hand picture? When you want to upgrading a companion, now, it says "spend 300,000 (AD) or 30 (of this coin)".
    What they are? How to obtain them?
    I didn't find anything in anywhere...
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ermesis wrote: »
    Excuse me, guys, does anybody know what are those coins with a hand picture? When you want to upgrading a companion, now, it says "spend 300,000 (AD) or 30 (of this coin)".
    What they are? How to obtain them?
    I didn't find anything in anywhere...

    They are from the lockboxes , they are not easy to get , first you need to beat the RNG to get the companion upgrade pack ( no idea if that is it's name) to drop from the lockbox then you need to beat RNG to get one upgrade token , so basically unless you open a hell of a lot of lockboxes using the upgrade tokens is a unrealistic option.
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  • qq88ppqq88pp Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I trust in PWE's management team that they survey the number of transactions with this item. Is it does not perform PWE will certainly chance the pricing of business model.

    PS: no, I don't really trust them. But that is not a PWE issue.
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    eldarth wrote: »
    Exactly. Welcome to the glorious world of F2P microtransactions.
    Instead of a set monthly fee, we'll nickle and dime you to death and many people will end up paying more than a subscription fee -- after all, it's only a dollar here and there. Adds up.

    So what? The people who are enjoying the game and want some new shiny stuff finance the game time of people who don't spend any money. Which then opens up the all the content to everyone for free.

    I don't see why people have a problem with that. Some people spend money, the rest get a free game. Is that so horrible?
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  • reiwulfreiwulf Member Posts: 2,687 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'd also like for the limit to be removed, or at least to be cheaper, but I understand it's an AD sink too.
    I'm close to getting the foundry achievement purple companion though, so at least I'll have a free purple one.
    Also, I think so far I've spent around 50$ on the game, since I've been playing. So no one is forcing us to spend money on it, we do it when we want to.
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