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Is it better to refine or buy?
hughjanus4
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Imagine if you didn't get any bonuses during the refinement process, is there any advantage in AD cost one way or another for refining something versus purchasing it on the auction house for the suggested retail price?
If say you wanted to get a level 10 enchantment, would the sum cost of refining to level 10 (reagents and necessary wards, too) cost more, less, or the same as the purchase price for the finished item?
If say you wanted to get a level 10 enchantment, would the sum cost of refining to level 10 (reagents and necessary wards, too) cost more, less, or the same as the purchase price for the finished item?
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You can calculate the total cost to refine it yourself. Gather the data what the upgrade chances and necessary refinement points are and plan around 1 AD for 1 Refinement point.
Yah, generally buying is better.
Also, you know there are girls that play this game, right? xD
3 weeks before 99 R5 anything was 55-60k now its 100k.
R7 dark/others was 30-40 now its ~50+
I just bought what I needed.
With prices that high I think I will refine this time or w8...
Amount of farming/ease of farming will affect how many lowbie r4s and so on there are for sale.
Amount of lockbox opening will affect how many higher (r5/r6+) enchants there are for sale.
Amount of potency marks available will affect relative costs of upgrading.
So often if there's been a massive glut of lockbox opening, you'll find r6s going for less than the cost of a single blue potency mark, which means it's definitely cheaper to buy the R6. And so on.
It does not draw on any other information. It could cost a billion AD in value to refine but if the enchsnts are only actually selling for a hundred AD it is going to recommend 100 AD.
If you get the coalescent ward, say, from the 7day praying option it's ofc cheaper. It depends upon the high demand of the item and lvl 10s aren't always in the high demand. Bear in mind that they are, more or less, the adequate price based on the time and effort spent into making them. People who make them don't really profit that much if they take around 40.000 in the process. That's basically what they pay for the AH cut % + (perhaps) the bidding price. The Coalescent ward rose up dramatically for over 70.000 astral, so bear that in mind, too.
Personally I'd never put a very high price item on AH because of the 10% trade cut (which vaporize into thin air), I'd always trade it for either GOLD or KEYS. Take KEYS as something of a "main" pricing unit, forget about astral, gold and zen. Keys are the main driving force imho.
I guess that bottom line - it depends upon what sort of a "fixed" price you get for a particular item, whether you'll exchange ZEN, Gold or buy it with keys that you bought while on the sellout (like now at the zen market). I think that if you have enough Astral you should definitely but an lvl 10 enchantment which you can use in your own gear set, while always having the option to take it out and sell it.
What I used to do before? I use the lesser vorpal enchantment while in DD, and sell it during the next DD (because I don't want to sell it asap as the DD ends since the prices are lower at that time). I get enough zen to buy the next Coalescent ward, use the earned vorpal shards (or even buy 1-2 more) and make another lesser vorpal enchant. And repeat it again, ofc. Vorpal shards are best dropped in the PK, and with a team of 4x 11k+ CW + 1 GWF it's practically easy and you may end up going for 6-7 runs, sell the items for a wee bit of astral, buy the gear at drake seal merch (buy the one that cost 70drake seal and salvage for 8000 rough as), salvage that etc.
So, whenever you have it and you're willing to farm while it's in your possession, buy it for astral, you never know what type of a profit/WTT deal you may end up with.
Or even better, buy the rings that cost 40 drake seals and salvage for 6,000 rough AD. More bang for your buck.
For example todays price of dark r8 enchants is about 245k, and the cheapest r9 on ah cost 977k. If u buy 2 rank 8 (490k)+ 2 greater marks needed for upgrade (200k) + 1 stack of 99 rank 5 dark enchants (100k today price) in total ull spend 790k. U need of course a couple of preservation wards, lets say ur unlucky and make it 10 (x5k each=50k). So the total cost of making dark rank 9 as for today would be about 840k AD - 130k less than the cheapest one on AH in this moment
The point is before buying always calculate (it takes less than 1 minute) if its not cheaper to buy lesser version of enchant and then refine it by urself (but never refine anything below rank 7:)).
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I bought one of your rank 8 radiant recently :P
I haven't had any experience with any enchants other than rank 9, but any time I've looked at the numbers, its always been cheaper just to buy them regardless of the situation for offense/defense slots, so anymore I just buy them regardless. I'm sure I lose a little bit here and there but ultimately you cant really go wrong with buying unless there are only like 1 or 2 on the AH or the price just seems unnaturally high. Then you should check the numbers to make sure people aren't trying to hike the price up due to lack of supply or there isn't one or more individuals working together to buy out the item to raise the price.
However, I think it is too much work, you need quite a bit more capital (since you gotta buy rank 5s in stacks of 99 and you gotta buy the cheaper end ones which don't come out everyday). You lose 100-200k if you buy it outright but I'd rather just save the trouble.
TBH, this is how I made some diamonds. I craft high tiered enchantments and earn an average of 100k-200k profit from people who are either lazy or didn't know the math. But I've since abandoned it since it is too much work and I've found other avenues that uses my time and diamonds much much better
Not always. I could be cheaper to refine using Peridots depending on the enchantment.
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Price fluctuations change here and there, but that is the general rule.
I've made millions and millions using rank5 enchants as the basic refining material too though so I would know.
Gotta have a better eye on the market and you'll see those cheap stacks of rank 5s
I mainly trade in Radiant 8s. Normally, Radiant 5s are more expensive to refine, so I use Peridots. All other enchantments, yes, Rank 5s are the way to refine.
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