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lady808
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SP run. Cleric gets cold feet and bails/leaves the group, one of the barbarians logs off out of frustration. I'm with 1 totally inexperienced ranger who likes to do the "Chicken without it's head" when mobs agro, and one fighter that's decent.
We muddle through the entire run, but throughout the run, we'd get people joining party and trying to initiate a Vote Kick to people. Even the logged off guy who we left in the group as a "placeholder". I had warned the other two about it so as soon as the windows popped up, we'd all mash "No". I /ignored these folks later on down the line so I'd remember them, but this happened a bunch throughout the entire run. Even during the end boss fight.
The other two died because of the Vote Kick windows popping up.
Hijackers out in force aren't they.
I'm just glad I coached my 2 team mates well to prepare them for it. Otherwise, it'd have ended up as another hijacked run.
Funny/odd thing about it is... The people that tried to do that looked like they were in guilds by themselves. At least no one else showed up under their guild tags when I did a search. I wonder if the hijackers are decentralizing themselves so people won't recognize them and auto-boot them from groups when they join? Not sure, but I suppose it'd be one way of keeping people from recognizing them easily. I tend to /ignore everyone in the particular guilds that I've run into doing that sort of thing. I actually ran into one of them, a cleric, in a few groups. I warned each group and explained why I was leaving. That ended up causing people in the groups to leave them as well and /ignore that cleric I found out later. LoL
We muddle through the entire run, but throughout the run, we'd get people joining party and trying to initiate a Vote Kick to people. Even the logged off guy who we left in the group as a "placeholder". I had warned the other two about it so as soon as the windows popped up, we'd all mash "No". I /ignored these folks later on down the line so I'd remember them, but this happened a bunch throughout the entire run. Even during the end boss fight.
The other two died because of the Vote Kick windows popping up.
Hijackers out in force aren't they.
I'm just glad I coached my 2 team mates well to prepare them for it. Otherwise, it'd have ended up as another hijacked run.
Funny/odd thing about it is... The people that tried to do that looked like they were in guilds by themselves. At least no one else showed up under their guild tags when I did a search. I wonder if the hijackers are decentralizing themselves so people won't recognize them and auto-boot them from groups when they join? Not sure, but I suppose it'd be one way of keeping people from recognizing them easily. I tend to /ignore everyone in the particular guilds that I've run into doing that sort of thing. I actually ran into one of them, a cleric, in a few groups. I warned each group and explained why I was leaving. That ended up causing people in the groups to leave them as well and /ignore that cleric I found out later. LoL
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We were basically turning the tables on the hijackers. We'd vote "No", then Vote kicked THEM as soon as whatever fight we were in was done. VERY enjoyable I must say.
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"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair"
Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time.
"Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
The logic is simple: don't vote-kick someone just for the sake of vote-kicking someone.
Kudos to the OP for standing on your principals, kudos for completing the run with an inexperienced, less-than-awesome other-players. That's what this game is supposed to be about: having fun. And it's no fun when things fall apart, but you made do with what you had and saw it through.
Congratulations on handling it all the way you did. I'd say the only foggy part (ethically-speasking) is when you vote-kicked the vote-kicker. Some might say "you sank to their level". Perhaps, but I say GOOD FOR YOU! Give them their own medicine. And besides, if you hadn't they probably would have kept at it in the hope one of you would click the "yes" button in the confusion of combat or something.
So again I say: kudos to you.
other than that, good job on sticking to your guns.
Just FYI so everyone out there is more aware. Typically hijackers will pop into your group, and look to see how far in you are. If you're at a "nice" point in the dungeon, they'll try to start the hijacking. So if you see someone pop into your group and a Vote to Kick is initiated, that's a hijacker. They'll usually be a class/character that the que system will throw in first like a fighter, cleric, or a caster.
Amazingly enough, there are people out there that actually "applaud" hijackers if you can believe it. They think that people failing/muddling through a dungeon "flood" the system and keep other people from doing "good" dungeons. I'm not really sure where these people get their reasoning from, but I was brought up knowing it wasn't nice/a bad thing to go and steal something from someone that's worked hard for it. Seriously, how would YOU feel if you worked hard all your life for your _____, and someone came along and stole it from you?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair"
Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time.
"Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
the vote window popup was decidedly an annoyance and i assume the hijacker was initiating votes during the fight with the side-intention of distracting/killing us. the vote kick window needs to be less disruptive AND it needs shortcut keys; my mouse totally gets lost when it pops up and i can't click it fast/reliably enough in a pressured situation.
it's bad because once they open up another slot they can then fill it with a friend and then they have 2 people in the instance and thus have the power to vote everyone else out.
the vote kicker had no intention of participating; we tried asking them to not vote kick and there was zero reply. that's a sign of ill intentions in my book.
in summary: the vote-kick system mechanics need a bit of a tweek (see interface tweeks above). needing only 2 votes total out of 4 is ripe for abusing. if i were coding this, the voter and the votee would not count and then there would have to be a majority among the remaining players (ie: 2-1 with 3 players), ties would result in a failure as well. i'd also kick around the possibility of not allowing votes to start if any of the party are engaged in combat (haven't thought-tested that for abuse potential though)
so, the question is, why do people go through the hassle of hijacking instances? if they're competent enough to beat the boss, is it really that much faster to hijack a partially complete instance than to run their own instance?
And as to why? I suspect the same reason they empty guild banks for no personal gain. Just griefing and trolling, pointless if you ask me.
I had few people in previous guild that did that on daily basis even after they were warned to be kicked out of the guild for doing that, needless to say they didn't stop and got kicked (funny thing is we knew only about 4 people who were doing it and just before they were kicked they ratted out the 5th) also they formed another guild (another funny thing: they either changed name of that guild or abandoned it and made new one, guess why) so if anyone wants to know name of the guild they should avoid PM me.
I never pug DDs. I haven't had to in more than a year. My guildmates don't do this sort of garbage - they wouldn't be my guildmates for long if I learned otherwise. This is another example of petty people trying to ruin other people's fun. It's pathetic.
Sekhmet@kvetchus_
Guilds: Greycloaks, Blackcloaks, Whitecloaks, Goldcloaks, Browncloaks, Spiritcloaks, Bluecloaks, Silvercloaks, Black Dawn
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If you aren't already in a group, or if your group is lacking members it will attempt to create one using the format : 1 GF, 1 DC, 3 DPS (GWF, TR, CW, HR) with no more than 2 classes of the same type. So, for all the solo players queuing for a specific instance, if they can be placed into a currently existing party the game will attempt that first, starting with the lowest numerically assigned instance (so it might not necessarily be the oldest one).
In essence, this potentially robs these players of a dungeon attempt. If they are a DC or a GF, chances are, regardless of what they do (bar form a 5-man and queue into a new instance), the queue will automatically put them back into the same instance.
So yes, if all the variables are right, you can indeed be hindering someone elses' game time by having the instance persist. Doesn't make hijacking right, but I'm not really arguing for it. I am an advocate of freedom in vote-kicking! There doesn't need to be statutes and reasons to kick, if it's majority rule, get out.
If these people HAD joined the group with honest intentions, then I would have been more than happy to have them along. They didn't though, so they got what they deserved in my book. Strong believer in "Do unto others"...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair"
Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time.
"Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair"
Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time.
"Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
many facepalms.....
i would say that vote-kicking not being allowed during combat is a nice idea, although if my group 3-mans a dungeon then i don't think last minute joiners should get free loot rolls. especially since these last-minute joiners are usually jumping in and leaving or attempting to hijack during most of our run. if you wanted loot, then you could have just helped from the start >.>
How would the ELO system stop players being kicked/trying to instigate a kick vote in dungeons?