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Q: Wicked Strike VS Weapon Master Strike

heiltdo1heiltdo1 Member Posts: 32
edited February 2014 in The Militia Barracks
Hello fellow GWF's,
After reading a few guides, i found out some people prefer wicked strike over WMS on a Sword-master build. I researched a bit about what makes those skills different, but after some experimentation i can't understand why many GWF's take wicked over WMS.

From my experience, Wicked strike is slightly faster, has a wider angle (290) and the third strike hits harder and reduces enemies damage output.

WMS is a bit slower, hits twice (both hits do around 1.6 times wicked strike damage) has shorter angle (250) but triggers feat debuffs faster, plus it reduces at will and encounter damage resistance.

Also WMS animation lets me disengage faster, sometimes Wicked Strike will make me walk forward and its not as smooth as WMS.
Both trigger around the same bleed damage from Gash.
My understanding is that WMS is better.

I must be missing something, can someone please explain why do you take Wicked Strike over WMS? im a bit confused.
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  • ortzhyortzhy Member Posts: 1,103 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2014
    For trash u use them both wms+ws, for bosses you;ll switch ws with ss.
  • masterjewstarmasterjewstar Member Posts: 563
    edited February 2014
    it also decreases thier ability to recieve damage well especially with student of the sword. Great when stacked with plaguefire or terror.
  • helloz2helloz2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 205 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2014
    I'm with you OP, I use WMS all the time due to the better animation (faster disengagement as you mentioned) and also being lazy to switch out At-Wills between boss and add battles (which is irrelevant but still ;))

    I think Wicked Strike is chosen over (or with for faster add waves clearing) Weapon Master's Strike because during Unstoppable, WS is a much bigger AoE bomb compared to WMS since WS somehow has a continuous attack animation sequence.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • vcekvcek Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    i personally think that wicked strike should be chosen on a vanguard paragon, again although the 3rd hit is stronger, it slows down the dps.
  • masterjewstarmasterjewstar Member Posts: 563
    edited February 2014
    When i'm my sm GWF I use them both always to deal with trash. i use wms to weaken them and then wicked to make wicked hit harder.
  • kozi001kozi001 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 876 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    As Iron Vanguard I would be more interested in a Sure Strike vs Threating Rush thread.
  • germmaniacgermmaniac Member Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ortzhy wrote: »
    For trash u use them both wms+ws, for bosses you;ll switch ws with ss.
    +1

    Not sure where you got the impression that GWF/SM don't use WMS, OP. But I'd expect most GWFs to use the setup ortzhy mentioned. I've seen GWFs mention that you would use one strike of WMS followed by three strikes of WS. The WS strikes begin just when the second hit of WMS casts. I'd expect that this allows you to get the optimum amount of debuffs on mobs as well as damage. This setup is truly a beast when cast in Unstoppable mode.

    However, for single targets it is advisable to switch WS for Sure strike, something I am sometimes too lazy to do :p .
  • germmaniacgermmaniac Member Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kozi001 wrote: »
    As Iron Vanguard I would be more interested in a Sure Strike vs Threating Rush thread.

    Although I haven't played IV beyond the preview shard, I'd assume you would use Threatening rush to mark and kite adds, while SS would be used for single targets such as bosses. So pretty much, this would depend on your role as GWF in party.
  • inthefade462inthefade462 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    SS is better single target dmg than TR san animation cancel. The dmg buff from marks is nice but there are other sources of marks, notably IBS kill mark.

    I use TR as a gap closer on single target fights (Valindra, Fulminorax being the only 2 left in game). good for either caskets or getting back on boss from wing buffet knockbacks. And of course in pvp. but otherwise in PVE TR isn't on my bar.

    others will disagree that's fine.
  • heiltdo1heiltdo1 Member Posts: 32
    edited February 2014
    germmaniac wrote: »
    +1

    Not sure where you got the impression that GWF/SM don't use WMS, OP. But I'd expect most GWFs to use the setup ortzhy mentioned. I've seen GWFs mention that you would use one strike of WMS followed by three strikes of WS. The WS strikes begin just when the second hit of WMS casts. I'd expect that this allows you to get the optimum amount of debuffs on mobs as well as damage. This setup is truly a beast when cast in Unstoppable mode.

    However, for single targets it is advisable to switch WS for Sure strike, something I am sometimes too lazy to do :p .

    I didn't say GWFs don't use WMS, i just saw a few guides suggesting WS over WMS.

    So i take it WS is higher instant DPS over WMS but how much is it? And is it truly better overall?
    I would really appreciate if someone on the PTS could test then both, as i strongly believe WMS is better, if not equal DPS to WS, of course i can be wrong.

    I've been using the Avatar of War sword 875-875 to try to measure the overall DPS in 10 seconds, but on live it's very difficult to have the same circumstances for both skills.
    Plus i don't have a stop watch ��
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