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GWF deep gash

stoxforum1stoxforum1 Banned Users Posts: 265 Bounty Hunter
edited January 2014 in Bug Reports (PC)
stoxforum1 wrote: »
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The only thing equipped is a weapon and a dark rank 10.

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I have 1375 power. This means that the skill should be 206.25.

Now deep gash above did 6 ticks at 450 or 2700 damage...

Show me where in ANY feats in GWF you can get 1309% damage increase? I think if you stack everything you would have less than a 100% increase...

I then tried to answer this calculating all possible buffs/debuffs I was getting from my character.
stoxforum1 wrote: »
So let's go over my math with actual debuffs/buffs and be sure to add in any I miss. I have 206.25 damage it should do. 75% crit severity, 12% damage increase from strength, my artifacts equipped add recovery, defense, regen, and life steal so they are irrelevant, there are no pets equipped, I was the only one hitting the dummy, there is no combat advantage, I have discipe of strength so factoring in my strength this should be roughly 7%, I'm 2/3 in devastating critical so 10% more crit severity, I do have student of the sword so 15% of the defense is 3% more damage, and I believe that's all that could add damage.

Now let's add that up real quick assuming it all counted, 206.25*1.85 (crit severity) = 381.56 *1.22 (strength bonus, disciple of the strength, and student of the sword) = 465.5

So again tell me how this is not broken? 465.5 is with all the debuffs I can find. Still far short of the 2700 damage it actually did.

In another thread (link to follow) there is a log posted showing deep gash was 44.1% of the GWFs damage on the boss: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?567481-Trickster-Rogue-vs-Great-Weapon-Fighter-comparison It also appears that his average deep gash hit vs one of the targets was 5665.44 damage. Now considering it gets overridden by lower crit numbers from at-wills, that means it's probably a safe bet that some of these deep gash hits were 15k+ damage.

So all the GWFs want a clarification on whether this is working as intended or bugged. Keep in mind my 1300+% damage increase is with nothing but a sword on. Also of note is that deep gash damage seems to change based on the encounter used, which if it was actually based on the power stat, would not be the case.
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  • twinkjetwinkje Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 103 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    As per request via PM, I'm submitting some data that I've recorded during a boss fight:
    TIME      ATTACKER  ATTACKTYPE        DAMAGETYPE  VICTIM                 DAMAGE  CRITICAL  SPECIAL  
13:04:37  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  863     True      Flank    
13:04:38  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  715     True      Flank    
13:04:39  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  715     True      Flank    
13:04:40  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  715     True      Flank    
13:04:40  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  1279    True      Flank    
13:04:41  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  863     True      Flank    
13:04:41  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  1461    True      Flank    
13:04:42  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  863     True      Flank    
13:04:43  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  1026    True      Flank    
13:04:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             1406    True      Flank    
13:04:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  1433    True      Flank    
13:04:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  2103    True      Flank    
13:04:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Hammerer               1406    True      Flank    
13:04:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  3044    True      Flank    
13:04:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Hammerer               1771    True      Flank    
13:04:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             1795    True      Flank    
13:04:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  2689    True      Flank    
13:04:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  1886    True      Flank    
13:04:45  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  2506    True      Flank    
13:04:45  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  1387    True      Flank    
13:04:45  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             1334    True      Flank    
13:04:46  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  2360    True      Flank    
13:04:46  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             1738    True      Flank    
13:04:47  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  1830    True      Flank    
13:04:47  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             1592    True      Flank    
13:04:48  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  1562    True      Flank    
13:04:48  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  3772    True      Flank    
13:04:48  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             4141    True      Flank    
13:04:49  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  2232    True      Flank    
13:04:49  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             2768    True      Flank    
13:04:49  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  11337   True      Flank    
13:04:52  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4418    True      Flank    
13:04:53  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3304    True      Flank    
13:04:54  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3488    True      Flank    
13:04:55  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5490    True      Flank    
13:04:56  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4618    True      Flank    
13:04:56  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5152    True      Flank    
13:04:57  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5182    True      Flank    
13:04:57  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6827    True      Flank    
13:04:58  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5932    True      Flank    
13:04:58  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             9161    True      Flank    
13:04:59  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             7590    True      Flank    
13:05:00  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6189    True      Flank    
13:05:01  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6542    True      Flank    
13:05:02  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             8275    True      Flank    
13:05:02  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5208    True      Flank    
13:05:03  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4279    True      Flank    
13:05:03  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6131    True      Flank    
13:05:04  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5869    True      Flank    
13:05:05  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4453    True      Flank    
13:05:05  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4728    True      Flank    
13:05:06  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5456    True      Flank    
13:05:07  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             14518   True      Flank    
13:05:08  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             17175   True      Flank    
13:05:09  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             16933   True      Flank    
13:05:09  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3690    True      Flank    
13:05:10  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2708    True      Flank    
13:05:11  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2787    True      Flank    
13:05:12  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2426    True      Flank    
13:05:13  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2109    True      Flank    
13:05:14  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             1528    True      Flank    
13:05:15  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             1421    True      Flank    
13:05:16  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             1421    True      Flank    
13:05:17  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    2377    True      Flank    
13:05:17  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    2462    True      Flank    
13:05:18  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    1930    True      Flank    
13:05:19  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    1533    True      Flank    
13:05:20  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    1944    True      Flank    
13:05:21  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    1588    True      Flank    
13:05:22  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    1613    True      Flank    
13:05:23  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    1588    True      Flank    
13:05:33  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2544    True      Flank    
13:05:33  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             8371    True      Flank    
13:05:34  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3598    True      Flank    
13:05:35  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3161    True      Flank    
13:05:36  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             13649   True      Flank    
13:05:37  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             12668   True      Flank    
13:05:38  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             13649   True      Flank    
13:05:39  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             13748   True      Flank    
13:05:39  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             7560    True      Flank    
13:05:40  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6058    True      Flank    
13:05:40  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3969    True      Flank    
13:05:40  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5336    True      Flank    
13:05:41  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3414    True      Flank    
13:05:42  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3878    True      Flank    
13:05:43  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             8313    True      Flank    
13:05:43  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             6346    True      Flank    
13:05:43  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6012    True      Flank    
13:05:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             3222    True      Flank    
13:05:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             5317    True      Flank    
13:05:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5852    True      Flank    
13:05:45  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             2768    True      Flank    
13:05:45  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3935    True      Flank    
13:05:45  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             6377    True      Flank    
13:05:46  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3014    True      Flank    
13:05:47  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3354    True      Flank    
13:05:48  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3513    True      Flank    
13:05:49  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2902    True      Flank    
[B][I][COLOR=RED]13:05:49  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             22480   True      Flank[/COLOR][/I][/B]    
13:05:50  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             15645   True      Flank    
13:05:51  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             15432   True      Flank    
13:05:52  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             15218   True      Flank    
13:05:53  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             15005   True      Flank    
13:05:54  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             12199   True      Flank    
13:06:01  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    3700    True      Flank    
13:06:01  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    3456    True      Flank    
13:06:02  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    3997    True      Flank    
13:06:03  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    3997    True      Flank    
13:06:04  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    3494    True      Flank    
13:06:05  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    3445    True      Flank    
13:06:06  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    3009    True      Flank    
13:06:06  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             2728    True      Flank    
13:06:07  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             3532    True      Flank    
13:06:08  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             3787    True      Flank    
13:06:09  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             3319    True      Flank    
13:06:10  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             5163    True      Flank    
13:06:11  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Hammerer               1759    True      Flank    
13:06:11  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Hammerer               1698    True      Flank    
13:06:17  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2689    True      Flank    
13:06:17  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             1696    True      Flank    
13:06:18  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3078    True      Flank    
13:06:18  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             1859    True      Flank    
13:06:18  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2836    True      Flank    
13:06:19  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2422    True      Flank    
13:06:19  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4652    True      Flank    
13:06:19  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             2892    True      Flank    
13:06:19  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2871    True      Flank    
13:06:19  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             2165    True      Flank    
13:06:19  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2179    True      Flank    
13:06:20  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             1835    True      Flank    
13:06:20  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2898    True      Flank    
13:06:20  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             2372    True      Flank    
13:06:21  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2721    True      Flank    
13:06:22  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4107    True      Flank    
13:06:23  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3231    True      Flank    
13:06:24  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3203    True      Flank    
13:06:24  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3363    True      Flank    
13:06:25  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             8742    True      Flank    
13:06:26  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             7055    True      Flank    
13:06:27  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5970    True      Flank    
13:06:28  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5316    True      Flank    
13:06:28  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5830    True      Flank    
13:06:28  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6764    True      Flank    
13:06:29  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4947    True      Flank    
13:06:30  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4986    True      Flank    
13:06:31  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5592    True      Flank    
13:06:31  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5063    True      Flank    
13:06:32  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4419    True      Flank    
13:06:32  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5291    True      Flank    
13:06:33  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3503    True      Flank    
13:06:34  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3455    True      Flank    
13:06:35  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3408    True      Flank    
13:06:36  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3360    True      Flank    
13:06:37  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2960    True      Flank    
13:06:44  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             3426    True      Flank    
13:06:49  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             912     True      Flank    
13:06:50  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             908     True      Flank    
13:06:51  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             1185    True      Flank    
13:06:52  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             1450    True      Flank    
13:06:52  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2563    True      Flank    
13:06:53  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2205    True      Flank    
13:06:54  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2456    True      Flank    
13:06:55  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             7901    True      Flank    
13:06:55  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6063    True      Flank    
13:06:56  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             7519    True      Flank    
13:06:58  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             7424    True      Flank    
13:06:58  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6657    True      Flank    
13:06:58  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             6796    True      Flank    
13:06:59  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4743    True      Flank    
13:07:00  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3488    True      Flank    
13:07:01  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3139    True      Flank    
13:07:01  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4079    True      Flank    
13:07:02  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5196    True      Flank    
13:07:03  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4811    True      Flank    
13:07:03  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             8010    True      Flank    
13:07:04  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             7454    True      Flank    
13:07:04  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             5435    True      Flank    
13:07:05  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4205    True      Flank    
13:07:06  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             4095    True      Flank    
13:07:07  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             3126    True      Flank    
13:07:08  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2405    True      Flank    
13:07:09  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             2236    True      Flank    
13:07:09  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             2868    True      Flank    
13:07:10  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             2197    True      Flank    
13:07:15  Halo      Deep Gash: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    12146   True      Flank

    Basically the damage from Deep Gash: Flank is ranging from 715 to 22480.
    If we cross the data from Deep Gash: Flank with the encounters used in that particular timeframe we may pinpoint where does that big hit comes from and here we are:
    TIME      ATTACKER  ATTACKTYPE                        DAMAGETYPE  VICTIM                 DAMAGE  CRITICAL  SPECIAL  
13:04:47  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             14102   False     Flank    
13:04:47  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Masterwork Iron Golem  15537   False     Flank    
13:04:47  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             16020   False     Flank    
13:05:00  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             26652   False     Flank    
13:05:36  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             41846   True      Flank    
[B][I][COLOR=RED]13:05:49  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             67096   True      Flank[/COLOR][/I][/B]    
13:06:03  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    23103   False     Flank    
13:06:20  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Iron Golem             16975   False     Flank    
13:06:20  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             47385   True      Flank    
13:07:00  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Juggernaut             28546   False     Flank    
13:07:15  Halo      Indomitable Battle Strike: Flank  Physical    Kheldor Forgehammer    41194   True      Flank

    Hope this may help.
  • stoxforum1stoxforum1 Banned Users Posts: 265 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    Thanks Twinkje, and wow 22480 on a bleed? Let's see this IBS that hit for 67,096 if it had been left ticking at that rate and not overridden would have done 134,880 damage. That's double what the skill itself hit for. It appears from the log that as some debuffs dropped it did 95,979 damage. So the bleed is more damage than the skill that caused it? This has to be a bug.
  • ranncoreranncore Member, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2,508
    edited December 2013
    It's bugged and always crits on bleed ticks, which is why vorpal is so powerful with it.
  • stoxforum1stoxforum1 Banned Users Posts: 265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    Full combat log:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90627245/Combatlog%20-6%20DK%20runs.Log

    This was a 6 DK run during GG, 2 CWs, GWF, TR, and DC. Stox is full 10s, Virus the other CW has 8s in his gear, and Blitz has 7s, and i think one offensive 8. Note I was on adds for the most part while everyone else was on the boss.
    ciiSjmp.jpg
    http://imgur.com/ciiSjmp


    Deep gash ends up being 36% of blitz's total damage. I have seen higher than this, but that was from a GWF with over 2k more power than Blitz runs.
    Gq6Uu1Y.jpg
    http://imgur.com/Gq6Uu1Y


    So here we see Blitz hit as high as 25,786 with debuffs, but let's look at that base damage. 7846 damage. Now Deep gash is supposed to do 15% of the GWF power as damage over 5 seconds. Now from testing I know that from an IBS which is where this bleed began, deep gash can tick for six times. Let's assume it had ticked for this base damage 6 times, that would be 47,076 damage. Now this is supposed to be 15% of his power as damage, meaning that if this was working as intended, the GWF would need to have 313,840 power. I believe Blitz power was around 7,200, certainly not over 300,000 power.
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  • trohkarrtrohkarr Member Posts: 17
    edited January 2014
    @stox

    You are sadly mistaken with Deep Gash sir. It is working like intended. -- > http://nw.perfectworld.com/news/?p=1055571

    "Feat: Deep Gash: This feat now benefits from Strength and other damage bonuses.
    Feat: Deep Gash: This feat no longer incorrectly ignores damage reduction from armor and deflection."

    They only need to fix the tooltip, since it is still showing the same text from pre module 2.
  • jeffro9000jeffro9000 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 121 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    trohkarr wrote: »
    @stox

    You are sadly mistaken with Deep Gash sir. It is working like intended. -- > http://nw.perfectworld.com/news/?p=1055571

    "Feat: Deep Gash: This feat now benefits from Strength and other damage bonuses.
    Feat: Deep Gash: This feat no longer incorrectly ignores damage reduction from armor and deflection."

    They only need to fix the tooltip, since it is still showing the same text from pre module 2.

    I am sorry, but I believe it is you who are mistaken, m8. Deep gash should take into account crit % chance and apen, etc., but it should not crit 100% of the time.

    This is unbalanced because it gives sentinels too much damage. A destroyer with high crit would still see the benefit from deep gash crits, but not at a rate of 100% (if it was working as intended).

    My ACT results look the same for my gw, and I do not believe a dot bleed should be the number 1 source of gw damage. This has put my gw at an overall crit chance of 73% according to ACT...

    In PVE damage output for destroyers is appropriate post module 2, but it is coming from the wrong source.
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  • stoxforum1stoxforum1 Banned Users Posts: 265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    trohkarr wrote: »
    @stox

    You are sadly mistaken with Deep Gash sir. It is working like intended. -- > http://nw.perfectworld.com/news/?p=1055571

    "Feat: Deep Gash: This feat now benefits from Strength and other damage bonuses.
    Feat: Deep Gash: This feat no longer incorrectly ignores damage reduction from armor and deflection."

    They only need to fix the tooltip, since it is still showing the same text from pre module 2.

    I've heard this argument too much, the fact that it scales with damage bonuses and strength. If you look at my calculations, it is based on the BASE DAMAGE. So to do the damage it did, the base, unscaled damage that it did, a GWF would have to have over 300,000 power. This is a bug, and I wish it would finally get the Devs attention.

    And to clarify, I have 7 geared characters I play, including a GWF. I'm not just a CW...
  • trohkarrtrohkarr Member Posts: 17
    edited January 2014
    I must admit, this is a very interesting discussion.
    I am sorry, but I believe it is you who are mistaken, m8. Deep gash should take into account crit % chance and apen, etc., but it should not crit 100% of the time.

    Deep gash only ticks on crits anyhow, so what you are saying is: Recalc the crit chance of the crit chance? xD... I could see this change work tho.
    This is unbalanced because it gives sentinels too much damage. A destroyer with high crit would still see the benefit from deep gash crits, but not at a rate of 100% (if it was working as intended).

    Makes no sense since Senti GWFs are more likely to slot the passive "Weapon Master" coz of the "Master at Arms" feat that gives 'em, besides the great +crit chance, other good bonuses.
    I've heard this argument too much, the fact that it scales with damage bonuses and strength. If you look at my calculations, it is based on the BASE DAMAGE. So to do the damage it did, the base, unscaled damage that it did, a GWF would have to have over 300,000 power. This is a bug, and I wish it would finally get the Devs attention.

    The higher a GWF crits the higher is the bleeding value right? So if we don't know how strenght and the "other damage bonuses" come into play when the deep gash tick is calculated, we can only speculate. So please Devs give us something! xD
    But now as it is, the GWF finaly is worthwhile to play in PvE in terms of dps output. (Still nothing compared to the dmg AND control a CW can offer tho.) PvP is a whole other subject that badly needs attention from the Devs but deep gash and PvP isn't a factor at all.

    Btw: I am in no way biased since I have a GF, GWF and a CW and the tank is by far the most interesting char to play! :D
  • ladysylvialadysylvia Member Posts: 946 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    With 90% Crit Severity and no Vorpal i come down to <15% damage output on multiple targets bleed and <20% on a single target as Destroyer. And with over 30% damage from an at-will power alone, i don't see why it's OP. It Crit, because it's triggered by crit. Restoring Strike heal crit too if you crit it by hit. If something is OP, then it's the damage from our At-wills, not the Feat Deep Gash itself.
  • jeffro9000jeffro9000 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 121 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    trohkarr wrote: »
    Makes no sense since Senti GWFs are more likely to slot the passive "Weapon Master" coz of the "Master at Arms" feat that gives 'em, besides the great +crit chance, other good bonuses.

    It makes no difference what passive a sentinel has slotted or what their crit % chance is, their crits will trigger a 100% crit chance dot with this feat, which is in the first 5 points of the destroyer paragon, and you better believe every sent has it.

    To be clear, if you have not seen what deep gash is doing in a parser, every tick of the bleed crits every time. There is never a non-crit tick.
    trohkarr wrote: »
    Deep gash only ticks on crits anyhow, so what you are saying is: Recalc the crit chance of the crit chance? xD... I could see this change work tho.

    Deep gash is it's own ability, a crit triggers it, but it is not a part of the ability that triggered it. Should every hit of duelists flurry crit? Should every tick of the TR's bleed crit? There is no other encounter/feat/whatever in the game that crits at 100%, except deep gash. It is pretty clear that this is not intended.
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  • ladysylvialadysylvia Member Posts: 946 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    jeffro9000 wrote: »
    It makes no difference what passive a sentinel has slotted or what their crit % chance is, their crits will trigger a 100% crit chance dot with this feat, which is in the first 5 points of the destroyer paragon, and you better believe every sent has it.

    To be clear, if you have not seen what deep gash is doing in a parser, every tick of the bleed crits every time. There is never a non-crit tick.



    Deep gash is it's own ability, a crit triggers it, but it is not a part of the ability that triggered it. Should every hit of duelists flurry crit? Should every tick of the TR's bleed crit? There is no other encounter/feat/whatever in the game that crits at 100%, except deep gash. It is pretty clear that this is not intended.

    Then you have no clue. The heal of Restoring Strike crit.
    The Crescendo crit - 3 stacks of SotS with one ability without having attacked the mobs before!
    Flourish too.
    I haven't a Tr or have meet one with ACT on. So i can't say if Bleed from DF can crit. If it can't crit ever, then this is a balance, because 10 bleed tics are very bad. And every bleed dot is only triggered by the landed hit from DF.
    So the mechanic that trigger effects on crit, crit 100% too for every hit done with it. And because of this is intended.
  • stoxforum1stoxforum1 Banned Users Posts: 265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    You guys are missing the point. Let's take the damage that blitz did without the crit. 25,786, the base damage for this according to ACT before accounting for debuffs, etc was 7,846. I already showed that for it to do that kind of damage, based on the tooltip description that a GWF would have to have over 300,000 power, not the 7k or so that blitz has.
  • ladysylvialadysylvia Member Posts: 946 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    stoxforum1 wrote: »
    You guys are missing the point. Let's take the damage that blitz did without the crit. 25,786, the base damage for this according to ACT before accounting for debuffs, etc was 7,846. I already showed that for it to do that kind of damage, based on the tooltip description that a GWF would have to have over 300,000 power, not the 7k or so that blitz has.

    You don't know what is mean with power. A power can the skill damage too. And because every skill do other bleed damage this is the case. Blitz can crit too.
  • stoxforum1stoxforum1 Banned Users Posts: 265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    ladysylvia wrote: »
    You don't know what is mean with power. A power can the skill damage too. And because every skill do other bleed damage this is the case. Blitz can crit too.

    Go look at any of the old posts about GWF Deep Gash, before mod 2 it did 15% of your power as damage... as in 2.5% per hit for 6 hits. It's basic math people, stop trying to act like this is not a bug. The numbers I showed are without the buffs, it is the BASE damage, that damage that's supposed to be 2.5% of your power as damage is over 7k. Stop arguing about this if you don't know what you are talking about.

    Here you go in a basic formula:

    7,846/.025 = 313,840. The GWF mentioned has like 7,200 power but the BASE damage deep gash is doing would indicate he has 313,840 power from this hit.
  • stoxforum1stoxforum1 Banned Users Posts: 265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    Getting back on topic, I went to preview and specced into Intimidation from senti tree, which gives 10% of your power as damage when you use come and get it and daring shout. You will note 6 instances of damage, 3 from come and get it and 3 from daring, with 3064 power it does:
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  • jeffro9000jeffro9000 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 121 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    ladysylvia wrote: »
    Then you have no clue. The heal of Restoring Strike crit.
    The Crescendo crit - 3 stacks of SotS with one ability without having attacked the mobs before!
    Flourish too.
    I haven't a Tr or have meet one with ACT on. So i can't say if Bleed from DF can crit. If it can't crit ever, then this is a balance, because 10 bleed tics are very bad. And every bleed dot is only triggered by the landed hit from DF.
    So the mechanic that trigger effects on crit, crit 100% too for every hit done with it. And because of this is intended.

    The heal from restoring crits because it is part of the encounter, it is not a feat that is added on.

    Flourish does crit for every hit if the first hit is a crit, or so it seems. Flourish does not crit at a 100% rate, however. Good thought though, this may also be a bug. If each individual hit of a crit flourish is triggering deep gash, that would be a serious problem.

    I cannot understand your English regarding student of the sword or crescendo.

    I do have a TR and ACT. Allow me to enlighten you.

    Some of duelist's flurry hits crit, not all of them (unlike flourish). If the first swing of flurry is a crit, do you think every hit after should be? The bleed is the same, some ticks crit, some do not. It would appear (as I believe it should be) that every tick of the bleed rolls for whether it is a crit or not.

    I think damage for GW's is fine for destroyers in PVE at the moment, but allowing a sentinel to have this much damage means they do not have to sacrifice any DPS to be near invincible in PvP. Those of you who are insisting 100% deep gash crits are intended should pull your heads out of your HAMSTER. The sent is OP. You may have to learn to play at some point. Mashing tab and holding down the left mouse button won't work forever.
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  • midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    ladysylvia wrote: »
    I haven't a Tr or have meet one with ACT on. So i can't say if Bleed from DF can crit. If it can't crit ever, then this is a balance, because 10 bleed tics are very bad. And every bleed dot is only triggered by the landed hit from DF.
    DF bleed can crit, but unless you can use 2-3 flurries on the target, its really not that much damage (from a pvp standpoint); its based on the total stacks on the target more-so than anything else. Even when it does crit, your very next applied stack of flurry will erase it, most likely.
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    In this same vein, I've noticed that Icy Terrain crits while Eye of the Storm is active on every hit even after Eye of the Storm has worn off. Icy Terrain is also uncapped on target limits, which allows it to apply freeze to unlimited targets, crit on unlimited targets, and do an absolutely insane amount of damage for a pretty weak little AoE.

    This should also be fixed, along with it and Arcane Singularity being reduced to five targets max. Uncapped abilities are OP, you understand.
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  • stoxforum1stoxforum1 Banned Users Posts: 265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    spacejew wrote: »
    In this same vein, I've noticed that Icy Terrain crits while Eye of the Storm is active on every hit even after Eye of the Storm has worn off. Icy Terrain is also uncapped on target limits, which allows it to apply freeze to unlimited targets, crit on unlimited targets, and do an absolutely insane amount of damage for a pretty weak little AoE.

    This should also be fixed, along with it and Arcane Singularity being reduced to five targets max. Uncapped abilities are OP, you understand.

    Make your own thread.
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    It seems like it's the same problem though, it's an underlying mechanic with the DoT's where if the first part of it crits the whole chain of DoT crits. Same with DF. Same with every other DoT. So clearly it's not just a problem with the GWF's Deep Gash, it's an entire game mechanic you're illuminating for us. I'm just giving other powers that are clearly bugged. Deep Gash is just what you're seeing because you play a GWF as your main.

    I mean heck, Arcane Singularity has been bugged with no target cap since launch too. Same with Icy Terrain. Just getting the knowledge out there so it can be fixed.
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  • stoxforum1stoxforum1 Banned Users Posts: 265 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    spacejew wrote: »
    It seems like it's the same problem though, it's an underlying mechanic with the DoT's where if the first part of it crits the whole chain of DoT crits. Same with DF. Same with every other DoT. So clearly it's not just a problem with the GWF's Deep Gash, it's an entire game mechanic you're illuminating for us. I'm just giving other powers that are clearly bugged. Deep Gash is just what you're seeing because you play a GWF as your main.

    I mean heck, Arcane Singularity has been bugged with no target cap since launch too. Same with Icy Terrain. Just getting the knowledge out there so it can be fixed.

    It's not the criting I was reporting, it's an incorrect damage formula for the skill. And fyi singularity caps at 15 targets.
  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Leave the personal attacks or commentary out of the responses. Also, the devs do read the bug reports forum on a regular basis (although they are not required to signify this fact by responding to any given topic) so placing in your title "devs, please read this" is a violation of 3.14. Thanks.
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