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GWF tank

thaeorinthaeorin Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 24 Arc User
edited January 2014 in The Militia Barracks
Ok... I stopped playing my GF and levelled up a GWF tank. I am VERY tanky... I have lots of defense, deflect and AP... some lifesteal even.

(A) The LFG tool still only recognizes us as DPS... PLEASE fix this... As my GF I get a group in seconds... GWF tank... I have sat out whole DD queues...

(B) When we get put in a group... there is usually a GF in it. In the event there is a GF in it... with the same or even better gear... holding aggro over the GF is miserable... not to mention over pets.

Are we or are we not geared to tank these days? I thought the Vanguard was an awesome idea. Now make it viable. If we are in fact a "tank" and not an offtank... make it so... If not... state you intentions of making us at most a viable offtank...
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  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Why, so GFs can be even more obsolete?

    Why don't we simply tone down the "tanky" portion a bit, so you wouldn't have to be frustrated about why the system doesn't recognize a gwf as a tank?

    Because, he ain't.
    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  • hulksmashtrololhulksmashtrolol Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    GWF is a great tank. Stop randomly queuing for dungeons
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    As said above quit using the queue system. I've been tanking t2's for the past week.
  • thaeorinthaeorin Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Ok... I wizzed through to 60... have been tanking instances like a champ... started the Sharandar and DR dailies... I looked at the equipment we can get... Do we have any T2.5 gear? All of the gear at these locations are DPS oriented. Any chance of getting that changed? I am having fun with the DR dailies... (**** cool zone). I think the boons for DR are not quite as good for us as the ones for Sharandar... but my main concern there is the t2.5 and higher...?
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    thaeorin wrote: »
    Ok... I wizzed through to 60... have been tanking instances like a champ... started the Sharandar and DR dailies... I looked at the equipment we can get... Do we have any T2.5 gear? All of the gear at these locations are DPS oriented. Any chance of getting that changed? I am having fun with the DR dailies... (**** cool zone). I think the boons for DR are not quite as good for us as the ones for Sharandar... but my main concern there is the t2.5 and higher...?
    Personal opinion go Titan Set for tanking/kiting, go avatar of war set for dps'ing trash/bosses where dps is king. Not all t2.5's are created equal.
  • omgnicktakenomgnicktaken Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    Personal opinion go Titan Set for tanking/kiting, go avatar of war set for dps'ing trash/bosses where dps is king. Not all t2.5's are created equal.

    what do you mean not equal? If the talk is about 2.5 armor sets (if they can be called that).. then no class (afaik) uses them. DC still goes miracle healer (correct me if i'm wrong here), CW goes for High Visier, TR swash, GF timeless for dps, grand regent for full tank, that buff t2 set what ever it was for buffbot build. No idea about HR, but im guessing they use T2 as well from how much they sell for. I don't know of any classes that commonly use the 2.5 sets.
  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Feel free to check out my Sentinel guide in my sig, it may have some helpful info for you... :cool:
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  • inthefade462inthefade462 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Ps you want to wear dps gear for all pve. Being survivable isn't enough if you can't hold threat, you need to deal damage. Only gf can get away with being low dmg because they have so much threat modifiers and abilities, and even gf go dps/conq in order to hold aggro.
  • maninautummaninautum Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    As a popular dps/tank gwf looking for group. I have no problem looking for group to go dungeon. Ppl still prefer gwf can dps and can be tanky more then gf. Well , everyday i log on i got lot ppl asking me to join them for the run .
  • maninautummaninautum Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The main point for gwf to hold agrro, hmm, gwf really short of agrro threat holding agrro but for my situation i never worry of that, i always pull 2-3 pack of monsters and just stand-and-fight aoe , lets the cw or hr together aoe quick kill . My strategy for dungeon run is to kill fast clear fast, so the faster u clearing the faster u reach to boss kill. As my build i never worry of didnt have dc in group. Just tag along anyone so i can just always go infront and pull and tank myself, 10% life steal + dr last boons give me more survive mode to tank and kill without dc healing or astral shield. In my guild i always run dungeon with my 4 cw + 1 gwf . We have the faster time clearing whole dungeon legit. Currently vt 2/2 is nearly 20 minutes, mc and others t2 dungeon take around 20-25 minutes. Most longer is cn take around 30-35 minutes.
  • cyanbluestone007cyanbluestone007 Member Posts: 104 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2014
    maninautum wrote: »
    The main point for gwf to hold agrro, hmm, gwf really short of agrro threat holding agrro but for my situation i never worry of that, i always pull 2-3 pack of monsters and just stand-and-fight aoe , lets the cw or hr together aoe quick kill . My strategy for dungeon run is to kill fast clear fast, so the faster u clearing the faster u reach to boss kill. As my build i never worry of didnt have dc in group. Just tag along anyone so i can just always go infront and pull and tank myself, 10% life steal + dr last boons give me more survive mode to tank and kill without dc healing or astral shield. In my guild i always run dungeon with my 4 cw + 1 gwf . We have the faster time clearing whole dungeon legit. Currently vt 2/2 is nearly 20 minutes, mc and others t2 dungeon take around 20-25 minutes. Most longer is cn take around 30-35 minutes.

    You are right that a GWF has no hope of aggro control without pure DPS gear. But you are wrong to think you are a tank if you are in a group of 4 CW. That is like a TR claiming the same thing. In the CN run your role is to solo the dragon just like the TR. And anything not CC immnune is controlled by the CW you are not tanking them. You are just a blade in the black hole like all fighters are to CW's. I also do these 4 CW runs on my GF dealing almost as much single target DPS as a TR with more survivability. And I know even in that group I'm not there for threat it is completely not needed, it never comes into play
  • unclesalty1unclesalty1 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    cyanbluestone007 wrote: »
    You are right that a GWF has no hope of aggro control without pure DPS gear. But you are wrong to think you are a tank if you are in a group of 4 CW. That is like a TR claiming the same thing. In the CN run your role is to solo the dragon just like the TR. And anything not CC immnune is controlled by the CW you are not tanking them. You are just a blade in the black hole like all fighters are to CW's. I also do these 4 CW runs on my GF dealing almost as much single target DPS as a TR with more survivability. And I know even in that group I'm not there for threat it is completely not needed, it never comes into play


    You assume he is kept alive because of the chain singularities or the CCs that the CW brings to the table. If that's your reasoning or counter to his contribution, then you are mistaken. Very sorely mistaken.

    I happened to read the few recent threads and I see you are struggling very hard to champion some sort of viability of GFs in dungeons. That's admirable but your reply assumes the worst possible outcome for the forwarding of your own cause.

    Be impartial in your assumptions.

    A GF might do same or higher burst DPS than a TR, maybe. Then it concerns me what sort of TR are you comparing yourself to? Even a class named on its own has varying standards due to spec, gear and especially player skill. A well played/geared GF's dps wouldn't come close to a TR with similar variables.

    With the above statement, I would assume to the high heavens of optimism that the differentiation of burst/sustained/uptime of dps is coherent in your understanding of 'damage'.
  • omgnicktakenomgnicktaken Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    unclesalty1 wrote: »
    You assume he is kept alive because of the chain singularities or the CCs that the CW brings to the table. If that's your reasoning or counter to his contribution, then you are mistaken. Very sorely mistaken.

    I happened to read the few recent threads and I see you are struggling very hard to champion some sort of viability of GFs in dungeons. That's admirable but your reply assumes the worst possible outcome for the forwarding of your own cause.

    Be impartial in your assumptions.

    A GF might do same or higher burst DPS than a TR, maybe. Then it concerns me what sort of TR are you comparing yourself to? Even a class named on its own has varying standards due to spec, gear and especially player skill. A well played/geared GF's dps wouldn't come close to a TR with similar variables.

    With the above statement, I would assume to the high heavens of optimism that the differentiation of burst/sustained/uptime of dps is coherent in your understanding of 'damage'.

    Correct. If a tr doesn't have a huge pds advantage over you on single target DPS, then he just sucks. Yeah, sometimes it happens.. but don't go thinking that shows your dps is competitive. It isn't. Yeah, you can do things like 100k crits on bosses with kn challenge and anvil of doom, but actual damage over time on single target is way higher on a TR, closely followed by a HR (as far as ive seen - HR gets a dps lead in clears thank to better aoe capability, and the TR reduces the difference a bit in boss fights). A GF claiming he can keep up with a TR in single target damage dealt just shows you are only/mostly puging or constantly rolling with some of the lowest dps TR-s imaginable.
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