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irk2013 · January 2014

Yesterday I ran a instance with this awesome CW he beat me and the other geared GWF by 4 million damage it was one of the best CW's I have ever had the pleasure of running with. He was very humble as well saying he thinks he does poorly and that he should be doing better (landed us all on our faces with that comment).

Anyway I was wondering if anyone knew what his possible spec would be. I know he was using the Avalanche spell but not sure what else. Just blows my mind away that a CW was doing 4 million more then anyone else and we are all geared as well.

Thanks

shadow5930 · January 2014

Unfortunately, not enough input.

Did you see nightmare mastery proc? Did he freeze stuff a lot? use magic missile? was there lightning bolts or fire?

All mages get the shard, it's all the other spells that are important.

irk2013 · January 2014

shadow5930 wrote: »

Unfortunately, not enough input.

Did you see nightmare mastery proc? Did he freeze stuff a lot? use magic missile? was there lightning bolts or fire?

All mages get the shard, it's all the other spells that are important.

He was lightning speced that much I know, he did not use any fire spells that much I also know. (no freezing of mobs) he used Arcane Singularity when it came up and Avalanche when it came up. I actually don't recall seeing any Magic Missiles now that you mention it..

shadow5930 · January 2014

spell storm therm spec then. Did you see the spiral of cold usually focused on a big target that would slow everything down around it? CoI if you know it by name.

Far as I know that spec is the highest hitting for CW. There are others in the forums that have more knowledge than me, however that sounds about right.

chemboy613 · January 2014

Right now, there are at least 4 really excellent CW specs that do great damage. Also different specs do better on different targets.

For instance, Renegade is more burst and Thaumaturge is more sustained. a Renegade will likely outdamge a thaum clearing trash, but a Thaum will do better at draco.

Similarly, Stormspell is more burst and fire is more sustained.

People dislike firemage because they don't win paingiver, but if you look into the logs, a Firemage will debuff the room for everyone, increasing team DPS, and also give 5% more DPS to the stormspell mages through smolder. If you take those into account it seems a Fire/Thaum is best for draco and Storm/Renegade is best for trash.

That said, with CW, many builds are valid. I don't know what your friend here was running, but the most important thing is to control the mobs and pile them up, then nuke them in the proper rotation.

As someone who wants to be among the best controllers on the server, i feel the same way. Everytime i miss a spell I say "******!" I think that this self-criticism is an important part of being excellent. Complacency breeds laziness, which breeds underachievement.

irk2013 · January 2014

As someone who wants to be among the best controllers on the server, i feel the same way. Everytime i miss a spell I say "******!" I think that this self-criticism is an important part of being excellent. Complacency breeds laziness, which breeds underachievement.

To a certain extent yes I agree, but no matter how hard one practices there will always be a wall they can't go past due to reaction time and or hand eye coordination. Yet I do agree self criticism is good as long as it doesn't make those around feel like they are doing cruddy (like our CW did to me and the GWF)

They did not mean anything by it and I understand that, but to beat us by 4 million (and we were working our butts off) and to say he is just average makes us feel like we really suck when that is not the case.

uurbs · January 2014

Were the other CW running ahead and initiating fights? If so, there is your answer. Anything else, check Grimah's comprehensive Guide and either Grimah's Specc -- for max. party support and damage -- or Stoxforums Specc -- for maximum personal burst damage.

Depending on the fight and the total damage numbers, 4 million can be anything between 20% to 50% more damage than you.

slushpsycho · January 2014

only 4 million? LOL

When I run with normal causal players I double their DPS everyday

pers3phone · January 2014

You might have played with an experienced, geared player. As slush above stated, a good CW can make anybody else feel bad about their DPS... even if he doesn't run in front. If those guys are casuals without much experience in game mechanics, there will be a huge gap in Damage Dealt.

To close that gap, you need:

- experience
- gear
- spec
- proper rotation

... and enough mobs with enough HP :P Good CWs shine in lots of controllable elites situations.

focusman · January 2014

What is your character name? And which instance? Cn?mc?vt?Since, I think a lot of cw's here on the forum will meet that requirement to double or even triple the damage of the 2nd in line at paingiver.

And its definitly a Spellstorm mage.

verilos · January 2014

I see so many 14+ CWs who have no idea how to dps that your discovery is hardly surprising.
You can usually tell how bad they are by the simple fact that they don't use the vizier set, at that point I usually just leave the pug party.

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