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Guide to new players for starting endgame.
charononus
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I started playing my gwf a couple weeks ago, capped about a week ago, have only spent real money on a stone, and an epic mount. I have only spent the ad that he himself has earned. I have my bags taken care of, a blue pvp artifact, a purple waters artifact, 13kgs, mostly rank 8's except for utility which are using rank 4 darks, and a lesser soulforged and lesser vorpal.
I did this all without transfers from alts etc to see how fast I could get it done if I was a new player. That said I want to pass on some things to new players as one of the things that keeps popping up on these forums is new players complaining about how hard gear is to get.
That said, here are the things new players need to do and understand to gear up relatively quickly and easily.
First of all as you level, always do the Rhix dailies each day,(except the dungeon quest as this is not time efficient) this forms the base for your astral diamonds. Without this base you will be in trouble. Once you have that base there is a good guide on how to build it farther here.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?567591-Trace-s-Guide-to-AD-Creation-and-Wealth-Building
Now as you are leveling, the other thing to realize is that there is never a reason to hit the AH till you are sixty. There is nothing in leveling content that you will need more than the gear that drops for you in the quests.
So now you are level 60, the first thing to do is go to the ah and buy level 60 blue items. The specifics of what you need will vary based on class and build but in general I like items of "Youth" for the regen. I'd also recommend picking up an ancient mulhorand cloak, weapon, and offhand. These items level with you as you level but aren't really needed for the leveling process. That said they are equivalent to t1 epic items. They aren't the best but they're dirt cheap and if you pick up the ad before 60 you can break the rule about never hitting the ah before sixty for these and these alone.
Once you get this done make sure you put at least the rank 4 enchants into all your gear. This doesn't do much for you but once again it's your base. With this base then start buying rank 7 enchants as you get the ad from the ah. Buying these is often cheaper and easier than refining your own.
Do not put good enchants or gear into your CD, Man at Arms etc. You will not be using these in endgame dungeons as they cause more problems than they're worth. After you are geared and well set, gear em if you want.
Now you you have some decent enchantments and blue gear. At this point start running GG. This means you need a guild but having a good guild is another important part of the picture. If you aren't in a guild, look for one with a large segment of people on in your play time. Also good guilds will have a mumble/teamspeak/vent available for members.
When in GG you will be running Fardelver's Crypt for coins. These coins let you buy T2 pvp gear. You won't be an all-star in these FC runs, but you will make a solid contribution if you have built your toon well. The goal is 3 to 4 FC runs per GG time.
After you get your GG gear you will be able to run any T2 dungeon for your official T2 set gear. You will also be getting more shards for weapon and armor enchants. Any drops you greed on and win can be sold for AD on the AH.
Now these initial learning runs will be made much easier by having a good guild. A good guild will guide you over voice chat thru the dungeons and you will complete. Pugging no matter what your gear is going to be much harder because of the typical lack of coordination in pugs. A good guild is the most important thing to find when you start playing.
I hope this helps, it's definately possible to do and it's not that hard or time consuming.
I did this all without transfers from alts etc to see how fast I could get it done if I was a new player. That said I want to pass on some things to new players as one of the things that keeps popping up on these forums is new players complaining about how hard gear is to get.
That said, here are the things new players need to do and understand to gear up relatively quickly and easily.
First of all as you level, always do the Rhix dailies each day,(except the dungeon quest as this is not time efficient) this forms the base for your astral diamonds. Without this base you will be in trouble. Once you have that base there is a good guide on how to build it farther here.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?567591-Trace-s-Guide-to-AD-Creation-and-Wealth-Building
Now as you are leveling, the other thing to realize is that there is never a reason to hit the AH till you are sixty. There is nothing in leveling content that you will need more than the gear that drops for you in the quests.
So now you are level 60, the first thing to do is go to the ah and buy level 60 blue items. The specifics of what you need will vary based on class and build but in general I like items of "Youth" for the regen. I'd also recommend picking up an ancient mulhorand cloak, weapon, and offhand. These items level with you as you level but aren't really needed for the leveling process. That said they are equivalent to t1 epic items. They aren't the best but they're dirt cheap and if you pick up the ad before 60 you can break the rule about never hitting the ah before sixty for these and these alone.
Once you get this done make sure you put at least the rank 4 enchants into all your gear. This doesn't do much for you but once again it's your base. With this base then start buying rank 7 enchants as you get the ad from the ah. Buying these is often cheaper and easier than refining your own.
Do not put good enchants or gear into your CD, Man at Arms etc. You will not be using these in endgame dungeons as they cause more problems than they're worth. After you are geared and well set, gear em if you want.
Now you you have some decent enchantments and blue gear. At this point start running GG. This means you need a guild but having a good guild is another important part of the picture. If you aren't in a guild, look for one with a large segment of people on in your play time. Also good guilds will have a mumble/teamspeak/vent available for members.
When in GG you will be running Fardelver's Crypt for coins. These coins let you buy T2 pvp gear. You won't be an all-star in these FC runs, but you will make a solid contribution if you have built your toon well. The goal is 3 to 4 FC runs per GG time.
After you get your GG gear you will be able to run any T2 dungeon for your official T2 set gear. You will also be getting more shards for weapon and armor enchants. Any drops you greed on and win can be sold for AD on the AH.
Now these initial learning runs will be made much easier by having a good guild. A good guild will guide you over voice chat thru the dungeons and you will complete. Pugging no matter what your gear is going to be much harder because of the typical lack of coordination in pugs. A good guild is the most important thing to find when you start playing.
I hope this helps, it's definately possible to do and it's not that hard or time consuming.
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An average of 4-5 a night after my daughter goes to bed. MMO's are my main entertainment in the evening. If you play less per night, it's still the same amount of game time though.
Just, you know, let people know the actual timescale (in hours, roughly) so that new players don't assume they're doing something wrong if they can't even come close to finishing all the daily rhix quests in the hour or so of free time they might have (much of which might be spent in a dungeon queue). Especially if you're stating that it's "not that time-consuming".
Made the edit about the daily quests. I didn't do the daily dungeon quests. It's not time efficient.
Also I stand by the not time-consuming but I'm measuring the time as time in game not real time. Playing a few hours a week you will be able to do this in the same amount of game time as I do and that is the real measurement.
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It is a good general guide, so you don't really get lost once you are 60. Asking for a rough time scale is just ridiculous as it depends on so many things:
1- Your real life.
2- How fast you are with playing your class .
3- What class are you playing.
4- How fast you are with completing quests.
Starting off with this it also not the best thing to do, as it treads the narrow line between "example" and "hay lookit meee" (and personally I'd say: the wrong side of that line).
And a lot of it requires a guild with enough players, who are on at the right times, and who have sufficient gearing to happily clear dungeons, which is QUITE a big requirement, all things considered, especially for a new player with no experience of the community. I'm guessing the author joined his existing guild rather than just picking one at random by spamming "NEED GUILD" in PE, but even if not, he probably knew which guilds WERE suitable, rather than having to take his chances with a gang of randoms.
It's useful, but I'll be honest, I think it's still likely to be a little intimidating to new players.
And of course, gear isn't everything. Experience with the class (which usually comes with time) is vastly more useful than rushing to epics ASAP by any means necessary.
He isn't stating facts, he is stating suggestions. Honestly you are overcomplicating things, the author simply pointed out a general guide to be able to gear without spending real cash. He didn't say anything about time management, unlike you, as time is totally relevant to the player.
Also, i don't see anywhere in the OP where he said "This is a quick guide to gear sooo quick from T2s!". He stated that it is relatively quick and easy.
I understood that he was able to achieve that without spending real cash on the gear itself (aside from mount and stone). He also stated that he was able to do it in only 2 weeks without using his alts or any kind of transfers.
It was clear as the sun, not sure why you took it the negative way.
You are wrong.
He only said it is easier to do dungeons with coordinated guilds, rather than with pugs.
I was able to gear my Cleric within a week or two only by doing PuG T2 groups. I was simply asking in LFG for members to my party and i barely failed any of the runs.
Harder doesn't equal impossible.
He didn't suggest any kind of rushing, again, you are taking it wrong.
First of all, you gain enough experience with your class's abilties through leveling. Then you gain more experience when you do dungeons.
Sadly dungeons have a GS requirement, so you NEED epics to access most of them. That's why the OP suggested extremely cheap blue gear you can get either from AH or even drop them while questing and asked the players to go GG / PvP. You don't need to perform well in either, as you would get rewards anyways.
I'm still not sure why are you speculating alot and assuming things the OP didn't even say. Perhaps if you read the OP carefully you would understand better. Hopefully i have cleared some misunderstanding for you.
Cheers.
OK. While the guide is good overall, I'd say 2 weeks for what you listed... on a fresh char...... even at 4-5 hrs/day, not possible without some "tricks" such as AH play and considerable help (i.e. some guys carrying you though dungeons or something).
The usual player will take MONTHS to get to Rank 8 stage, even if they play more hours than you do.
Just as an example, as a new player in this MMO, took me a week or so to level (didn't hurry). Bought cheap T1. Started learning T2s slowly, through painful failures, made some friends.
Farmed my T2 set. The T2 farming took me 2 weeks again, I had to run SP 35+ times for my HV piece. At that number I stopped counting.
By this stage, I had R6s and no wep/armor enchant. I think this was when I farmed my stone and mount.
I started doing CN, again it was a while until I found people nice enough to tolerate my pretty lame char and give me hints.
Farmed for a normal Vorpal/SF, took me again quite while. Farmed for a Greater Vorpal, again this took a long while. Perfect Vorpal? Pff. I thought the farm will never end lol, was like 2nd job.
Add to this the dailies that you need to do... and you look at a huge time investment if you want some decent gear.
Would a guild help?
Yeah... some. But leeching off people is lame IMO. You can practically feel their disappointment as you keep them back with your low DPS&survivability.
So IMO it's not realistic to expect Rank 8s and epic+blue artifacts in 2 weeks of gameplay, even at 8 hrs/day.
People need to keep in mind you don't just get to suddenly farm T2s and/or CN in 2 weeks. You need to form relations, find friends, get some entry-level gear, understand what your class is about, and so on.
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This, exactly.
A lot of the things listed are simply unfeasible for a new player for whom 100 K AD is a lot to get in a few weeks, let alone the multiple millions of AD required to get the items described. Worse a lot of what is described seems predicated on the new player somehow finding themselves a guild which will be able to willing to take a completely new ungeared character on multiple GG and DD runs.
When i try to 1 make 1 rank 8(starting from rank 5), it costs me around 400,000 ish AD. So saying you need MONTHS to get a couple of rank 8s is just unrealistic.
Being a casual player doesn't necessarily mean you have to be lazy.
I honestly can't imagine how can someone playing for even 2 hours /day not being able to do 100,000 AD /day.
I am pretty sure that there are very few new players (for whom this guide is intended) who can manage to make 100K AD consistently every couple of hours.
2. Can you describe exactly, with a time breakdown how a new player can get 100k AD in 2 hours of playtime? I feel comments like these are unproductive at best.
If we take as read that you can hit the refine cap through leadership/dailies in under an hour (which to be perfectly honest, I'd be hard pressed to do anyway even in two hours), I guess you have to somehow get 76k worth of auctionable drops in the remaining hour and a bit? With my luck, even if a DD is on, I would estimate I could probably get....one or maybe two purple belts (always belts aaargh) in that time, assuming I don't troll the need button.
EDIT: I should state I am certainly a 'casual' player, so it's possible I'm simply not hardcore enough, but I'd wager a reasonable amount of money that most new players are going to be much closer to my side of the casual/hardcore gradient.
You can do your dailies which will make you get some rough AD, let's say 10,000 ++.
Now you can go to Pirate king, or any T2 dungeon, and make runs with random people during DD. You can sell the shards/whatever loot you win on AH for money.
And since some shards goes for 1,800 AD ~ 40,000 AD you can easily make 100,000 AD just from DD and dailies.
And please show me where did he say that he has 12 rank 8s.
And about artifacts, i was able to make mine to blue just from feeding rank 4s i was getting while doing my dailies..
EDIT: never mind guys, no matter how much tips given you will just argue and speculate. Have a good day and sorry for disturbing your solid logic and productive comments.
Also, I think your shard sale scheme is a trifle unrealistic. Even spamming something a tiresomely facerolling as PK won't net you that many shards, and most shards sell at the lower end of that scale (more or less 'is it a vorp/soulforged?' -if not, then 2k AD)
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Now after this, you start the farm itself. Depending on your time left, you can squeeze a CN run/35 mins, but no you won't do that in the first 2 weeks, cause you new and a ****ty player and nobody will want you for a loong while in CN. You will spam some low level dungeon with some random guys or clueless guildies since even in your guild, the pros will run with other pros mostly. Even when you get to CN, it will probably take ages if this is your first char... again, cause you're clueless. And it's OK to be clueless, cause this is how you start most things in life.
The conclusion is this game takes WORK, just like a real time job, to get somewhere. If you play it casually 1 hour or 2/day, you won't get far.
Or it takes money, and you're set
1. Buy cheap 60 blue gear off AH. Everyone can definitely and should do it, I did it on mine and it helped.
2. Proceed to be carried by a good guild into pretty much everything. GG, T2 Dungeons, etc. This is fine, nothing wrong with it, it's an MMO afterall. Not everyone wants a guild though and not all guilds just carry scrubby geared toons all the time.
A new player will probably not be admitted to a good guild and be allowed into good gear runs, that's mainly the job of mains/clicks within the guild and with 5 man's being the biggest, you're probably not going to get a spot.
A new player that doesn't want to join a guild will never have access to GG(which I think is just really bad design) and will enjoy probably spamming LFG for an hour trying to find someone to take his 8.5-9.5k GS to some dungeon because most tells in that channel are asking for 12K+.
It's a good guide for sure, but honestly it all hinges on having a good Guild and knowing the right people who will take the time to take you with them.
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Just farm dungeon and enjoy the PVE aspect of the game. PVP is brutal in this game.