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Gear Score in PvP

kaoswpkaoswp Banned Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
edited December 2013 in PvE Discussion
Hello everyone :) Kaos here!

OK, so I have heard a lot of complaining about how GS is everything and how you can't win a match without good gear. Well I am here to tell you that strategy and getting a team is FAR more important than gear. It's about learning how the classes work, how they work together, and how to manage pressure on the enemy team.

Now, I am aware that many of you are ready to argue with me. So below are links to a PvP match that me and my guildees played. We took off all of our gear and wore nothing but the gear you can buy with glory, along with some basic artifacts. Enjoy! :)

Part 1: << URL removed for profanity >>
part 2: << URL removed for profanity >>
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  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    This is awesome! I'm highly entertained. :)

    How could they not notice, lol?

    Well done.
  • kaoswpkaoswp Banned Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    I don't know man :) and thank you
  • bananachefbananachef Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Gearless pvp should be the default. It's an eventuality that everyone in pvp will be sporting Rank 10s and perfect enchants. It's better for the competitive environment to reduce the barrier of entry and regulate pvp gear across the board.
    2 GWFS, 3 TRs, 2 GFs, 1 HR, 1 CW
  • calous78calous78 Banned Users Posts: 95
    edited December 2013
    Gear in this game can be customized in many different ways which in turn dictates your play style. If Gear is removed from pvp MUCH of the customization currently available would also be removed. I would not want to see that happen.

    Also please don't derail this thread, lets try and keep it on topic thanks :)
  • macabrivsmacabrivs Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 417 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    yea thats great, now try to do that as a DC.....
  • calous78calous78 Banned Users Posts: 95
    edited December 2013
    Cool! Maka has a DC we will do that tonight :) Video to follow!!
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    macabrivs wrote: »
    yea thats great, now try to do that as a DC.....

    Good point!
  • slushpsychoslushpsycho Member Posts: 657 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    I think there should be a tournament like this. It lowers the entry gap, so u don't need rank 9s and perfects to be able to be competitive. And you can show your skill in a fair environment. In short well done mate I may start doing the same, using my full gear to destroy pug and kill them with little effort really is no fun and does little to improve your skill.
  • smokeygbsmokeygb Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 65
    edited December 2013
    Gear matters greatly. Team play and clever strategy matter as well but if you have 2 players contesting a point, one in perfects and rank 10s and the other in glory gear the lower player will make hardly a dent in the higher.

    A fair guess OP: I bet you and your teammates had more fun in the match where you were close to equally geared to your opposition and skill and teamwork mattered far more, didn't you?
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    smokeygb wrote: »
    Gear matters greatly. Team play and clever strategy matter as well but if you have 2 players contesting a point, one in perfects and rank 10s and the other in glory gear the lower player will make hardly a dent in the higher.

    A fair guess OP: I bet you and your teammates had more fun in the match where you were close to equally geared to your opposition and skill and teamwork mattered far more, didn't you?

    Except its a team game.

    On person cannot be everywhere.

    If your point is that great gear AND great teamwork trounce anything else, then ... duh and that was not the point of the thread!

    Also, if you have great fun beating a team with equal gear, I imagine you have even more fun if you manage to beat them while effectively naked...
  • kaoswpkaoswp Banned Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    Except its a team game.

    On person cannot be everywhere.

    If your point is that great gear AND great teamwork trounce anything else, then ... duh and that was not the point of the thread!

    Also, if you have great fun beating a team with equal gear, I imagine you have even more fun if you manage to beat them while effectively naked...

    What he said :D

    The point is to show people that you can win most matches with terrible gear. I know gear matters, which is why I have good gear. People make it out like there is no way you can do well without having hear. Granted, you can't beat the top guilds without it, but you can random queue and win 90%+ of your matches.

    That is the point of this thread.
  • godlysoul1godlysoul1 Member Posts: 293 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    This is cool. Nice vid ;)
  • pers3phonepers3phone Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Great job haha :)

    However many people you will find in PvP:

    - never communicate
    - do not have nearly the same experience in the game/class/PvP as you guys have
    - do not understand English...
    - want to get the daily done fast instead of prolonging a match for 30 minutes+ only so they can win

    And I can go on.

    Communication, tactics, experience can offset gear... by a certain amount. You will die A LOT, but since you win based on dominating points, it is less relevant.

    Gear however is still extremely important and it enables certain builds/tactics/style of play. Nobody said GS is everything, but you cannot underestimate it.

    I can only wonder what would have happened if you would've met a team with fewer squishies (they were obviously unable to keep points controlled).

    But yeah, nicely done.

    BTW, this shows even more that if you could win without the gear, wtf will a team of non-PvPers do against you when you have the gear on?!?
  • shadow5930shadow5930 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 502 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    I'd love to try and set up a skivvies pre vs pre. As was mentioned, there is a loss of customization without the enchants. On the flip side, if everyone is using t1 pvp gear, it's a lot more even.

    .. as for DC, they'll be the one in blues as it's better stats than the t1 pvp set.
  • kaoswpkaoswp Banned Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    shadow5930 wrote: »
    I'd love to try and set up a skivvies pre vs pre. As was mentioned, there is a loss of customization without the enchants. On the flip side, if everyone is using t1 pvp gear, it's a lot more even.

    .. as for DC, they'll be the one in blues as it's better stats than the t1 pvp set.

    That sounds fun! Is love to be in on that sir! PM me and we can set something up :)
  • kaoswpkaoswp Banned Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    pers3phone wrote: »
    Great job haha :)

    However many people you will find in PvP:

    - never communicate
    - do not have nearly the same experience in the game/class/PvP as you guys have
    - do not understand English...
    - want to get the daily done fast instead of prolonging a match for 30 minutes+ only so they can win

    And I can go on.

    Communication, tactics, experience can offset gear... by a certain amount. You will die A LOT, but since you win based on dominating points, it is less relevant.

    Gear however is still extremely important and it enables certain builds/tactics/style of play. Nobody said GS is everything, but you cannot underestimate it.

    I can only wonder what would have happened if you would've met a team with fewer squishies (they were obviously unable to keep points controlled).

    But yeah, nicely done.

    BTW, this shows even more that if you could win without the gear, wtf will a team of non-PvPers do against you when you have the gear on?!?

    Oh I agree with you. However, being as 7 out of 10 matches are just pugs, you can do fine finding good matches even with crappy gear :)
  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited December 2013
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  • calous78calous78 Banned Users Posts: 95
    edited December 2013
    YAY Thread is live again! Thanks man :)
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