unstoppable can be interrupted since module 2

warpet · December 2013

anyone else noticed this? i need to cast it few times now to work in pve since mobs keeps interrupting my unstoppable cast animations so i do not become unstoppable

vortix44 · December 2013

warpet wrote: »

anyone else noticed this? i need to cast it few times now to work in pve since mobs keeps interrupting my unstoppable cast animations so i do not become unstoppable

I noticed that too while completing the dailies in the new zone. Had the spam the key. I thought it was because of lag.

fondlez · December 2013

Ah, I was wondering what was going on, lol? I thought it was lag too.

On top of that HR can basically strip you of Unstoppable...

simonever · December 2013

The stop on cast is maybe a lag fault, cause i can cast it w/o problem.
Real problem is another....if in unstoppable (it's supposed) i'm immune to all except dmg, why the ranger's trap pull me back when i try to run? Bug? Unstoppable fix? Trolled??

vortix44 · December 2013

Plus, unlike the CW, the HR has Melee abilities. So, once the gwf comes near, the battle is not over. Among all the ranged classes, the HR is the last that should have a unstoppable-immune power.

May the devs fix the bug, or if -beyond any mogic- it is WAI, then may they change the name into Unnoticeable or SomehowUnstoppable, or keep the unstoppable disabled vs HRs but boost it against the other classes.

ikeepit3hunna · December 2013

Root ignores cc immune. If it didn't hr would be useles

gannicsgladiator · December 2013

the sad thing is that cws are almost like rangers..., and they get ****ed by unstoppable lol

zwergenschubser · December 2013

ikeepit3hunna wrote: »

Root ignores cc immune. If it didn't hr would be useles

not for long, because its a simple bug! root is an control power, we dont need to discuss that... its a fact.

lordgallen
Combat Designer
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?547501-Ranger-s-CC-is-not-breaking-by-GWFs-unstoppable

gannicsgladiator · December 2013

don't know if all the designers share the same opinion. roar has been "bugged" for so long, and now people care for it.

if they're "fixing" ranger roots, better "fix" roar too, and buff rangers, because they will be crushed in no time without their roots. they are like a tr with limited dodge stealth and no itc, cut his roots, he is paper.

fondlez · December 2013

gannicsgladiator wrote: »

don't know if all the designers share the same opinion. roar has been "bugged" for so long, and now people care for it.

if they're "fixing" ranger roots, better "fix" roar too, and buff rangers, because they will be crushed in no time without their roots. they are like a tr with limited dodge stealth and no itc, cut his roots, he is paper.

They are aware of Roar and it will be fixed. But it is melee range and much shorter duration than HR's skill. Also, it is attached to a class that has to be in melee range to do any damage at all. This is why it has had limited impact so far.

Basically, any CC immunity penetrating that is not from a boss should not exist. There is even a whole thread for it where devs specifically want feedback of all such instances in both PvE and PvP.

They have fixed even Dailies in the past, e.g. Cleric's Hammer of Fate. They have yet to touch GF's Terrifying Insight, though this is rarely slotted because of the opportunity cost (better dailies), low damage, slow animation and limited aoe that frequently causes it to miss in PvP.

gannicsgladiator · December 2013

fondlez wrote: »

They are aware of Roar and it will be fixed. But it is melee range and much shorter duration than HR's skill. Also, it is attached to a class that has to be in melee range to do any damage at all. This is why it has had limited impact so far.

Basically, any CC immunity that is not from a boss should not exist. There is even a whole thread for it where devs specifically want feedback of all such instances in both PvE and PvP.

They have fixed even Dailies in the past, e.g. Cleric's Hammer of Fate. They have yet to touch GF's Terrifying Insight, though this is rarely slotted because of the opportunity cost (better dailies), low damage, slow animation and limited aoe that frequently causes it to miss in PvP.

what scares me is not that, problems should be fixed. but hey, they nerfed ranger so much already, i am ready to see it as a ****ty class for very long time u ntil they do something about it if they really make their roots dont go through itc/unstoppable.

scares me that a lot people undergeared give their opinions on these forums complaining of how op is it, or how op is that, when they are low gs/low skilled fighting better people.
int he end, the game supporters and the guys that spend more time studying pvp that has to pay the price.
the way neverwinter is going i don't know much more I will play it to be honest, only need one new good game to be released to take me away from it to be honest.

its like, they dont care to bring new maps new modes for pvp, but all of sudden show interest in try to "balance" game by removing the most important survivality out of ranger...

ikeepit3hunna · December 2013

gannicsgladiator wrote: »

what scares me is not that, problems should be fixed. but hey, they nerfed ranger so much already, i am ready to see it as a ****ty class for very long time u ntil they do something about it if they really make their roots dont go through itc/unstoppable.

scares me that a lot people undergeared give their opinions on these forums complaining of how op is it, or how op is that, when they are low gs/low skilled fighting better people.
int he end, the game supporters and the guys that spend more time studying pvp that has to pay the price.
the way neverwinter is going i don't know much more I will play it to be honest, only need one new good game to be released to take me away from it to be honest.

its like, they dont care to bring new maps new modes for pvp, but all of sudden show interest in try to "balance" game by removing the most important survivality out of ranger...

well 90-95% of the population of this game is pugs that dont understand pvp or mechanics. so they see the numbers of QQ vs the knowledgeable input and pick the pugs opinion and just nerf everything or buff the wrong things. like people still think lashing blade is OP when its a trash skill. or that every TR is a perma stealth and they dont understand how to fight a tr. idk whats worse... the ignorance of cryptic or the stupidity of the neverwinter community as a whole.

esteena · December 2013

ikeepit3hunna wrote: »

well 90-95% of the population of this game is pugs that dont understand pvp or mechanics. so they see the numbers of QQ vs the knowledgeable input and pick the pugs opinion and just nerf everything or buff the wrong things. like people still think lashing blade is OP when its a trash skill. or that every TR is a perma stealth and they dont understand how to fight a tr. idk whats worse... the ignorance of cryptic or the stupidity of the neverwinter community as a whole.

You forgot to add that 99.99% of these "knowledgeable PvP players" are scared of getting their favorite classes nerfed and start to unleash flaming barrage on whoever opposes their opinions.

Learn to disagree, learn to adapt.

I do agree that some ask for unreasonable nerfs because of lack of experience, but i cant deny that some classes DO need some tweak down and some users would disagree with me because they don't want their class nerfed.

For example -

GWFs are unkitable now. I'm playing sent IV spec and i can chase literally anyone no matter how far they are thanks to sprint+threatening rush. CWs can no longer stall me because of that HUGE gap closer.

But ofcourse, some GWF players would start calling me ignorant and/or that these CWs need to L2P. Either way i don't really care, but this is how it is whether people like it or not

. Cheers.

ikeepit3hunna · December 2013

esteena wrote: »

You forgot to add that 99.99% of these "knowledgeable PvP players" are scared of getting their favorite classes nerfed and start to unleash flaming barrage on whoever opposes their opinions.

Learn to disagree, learn to adapt.

I do agree that some ask for unreasonable nerfs because of lack of experience, but i cant deny that some classes DO need some tweak down and some users would disagree with me because they don't want their class nerfed.

For example -

GWFs are unkitable now. I'm playing sent IV spec and i can chase literally anyone no matter how far they are thanks to sprint+threatening rush. CWs can no longer stall me because of that HUGE gap closer.

But ofcourse, some GWF players would start calling me ignorant and/or that these CWs need to L2P. Either way i don't really care, but this is how it is whether people like it or not . Cheers.

Gwf do need something nerfed I agree with that. But something small. Only rangers can counter them atm and people want to nerf rangers so there's 0 counters.

dkcandy · December 2013

ikeepit3hunna wrote: »

Gwf do need something nerfed I agree with that. But something small. Only rangers can counter them atm and people want to nerf rangers so there's 0 counters.

GF counters GWF and will continue to counter GWF. You simply knock them off the point and profit.

ladysylvia · December 2013

ikeepit3hunna wrote: »

Gwf do need something nerfed I agree with that. But something small. Only rangers can counter them atm and people want to nerf rangers so there's 0 counters.

That has nothing to do with 'counter'. A bug is a bug. And a senti is not really a danger. Only for paper Dps. Second not the whole GWF class is strong.

ikeepit3hunna · December 2013

dkcandy wrote: »

GF counters GWF and will continue to counter GWF. You simply knock them off the point and profit.

The common gf cant counter a gwf. There's very few built the right way atm. I know my gf can't handle my gwf unless I re built and changed gear. But any ranger can cause any gwf grief

ladysylvia · December 2013

ikeepit3hunna wrote: »

The common gf cant counter a gwf. There's very few built the right way atm. I know my gf can't handle my gwf unless I re built and changed gear. But any ranger can cause any gwf grief

And a common GWF is counterable by other. So what's the point of special builds?

dkcandy · December 2013

ladysylvia wrote: »

And a common GWF is counterable by other. So what's the point of special builds?

The issue is pretty simple. Due to imbalance with burst damage during BETA and classes able to 1 shot or single rotation 100 to 0 players. Players created counters with tanker classes and creative builds to counter the games high burst. Since then the meta has slowly changed to most classes going tanky so they too can't be 100 to 0.

But with the addition of the new Artifacts and ridiculous amounts of Regen & +Healing those bruisers (GWF/GF) are now even tankier. While not losing any of their damage and some even gaining damage.

How other games have resolved the issue was to create a PvP stat such as resilience or something similar. This stat reduces damage vs other Players ONLY and then nerf Regen in PvP. Then also create new line of PvP gear that has 4pc bonuses and stats designed towards killing other players. This way players want to run their PvP gear in PvP vs. mix-match PvE gear.

burkaanc · December 2013

havent had any problems with gwf on gf, its a football game for gf

gannicsgladiator · December 2013

esteena wrote: »

You forgot to add that 99.99% of these "knowledgeable PvP players" are scared of getting their favorite classes nerfed and start to unleash flaming barrage on whoever opposes their opinions.

Learn to disagree, learn to adapt.

I do agree that some ask for unreasonable nerfs because of lack of experience, but i cant deny that some classes DO need some tweak down and some users would disagree with me because they don't want their class nerfed.

For example -

GWFs are unkitable now. I'm playing sent IV spec and i can chase literally anyone no matter how far they are thanks to sprint+threatening rush. CWs can no longer stall me because of that HUGE gap closer.

But ofcourse, some GWF players would start calling me ignorant and/or that these CWs need to L2P. Either way i don't really care, but this is how it is whether people like it or not . Cheers.

i dont think gwf deserves a huge nerf or soemthing. i see low lvl gwfs do pretty bad on pugs. and as a gwf, i can't tank 2 equal gear cws for a long time, i may kill one, but once ice knife pretty much takes more than half hp. especially now that they got more attributes due artefacts and stuff.

but i do agree that threatening rush maybe should be a little bit reworked. I don't it should be "removed" from gwf, just reworked, to keep gwf as a strictly "meele" class.

one way to fix it is shorten a little bit the range of Threatning rush, that be done cws on 1 x 1 will have a better chance.

gannicsgladiator · December 2013

dkcandy wrote: »

The issue is pretty simple. Due to imbalance with burst damage during BETA and classes able to 1 shot or single rotation 100 to 0 players. Players created counters with tanker classes and creative builds to counter the games high burst. Since then the meta has slowly changed to most classes going tanky so they too can't be 100 to 0.

But with the addition of the new Artifacts and ridiculous amounts of Regen & +Healing those bruisers (GWF/GF) are now even tankier. While not losing any of their damage and some even gaining damage.

How other games have resolved the issue was to create a PvP stat such as resilience or something similar. This stat reduces damage vs other Players ONLY and then nerf Regen in PvP. Then also create new line of PvP gear that has 4pc bonuses and stats designed towards killing other players. This way players want to run their PvP gear in PvP vs. mix-match PvE gear.

it changes the whole game to be honest. a lot players don't like that separate pvp opts from non pvp options, like star wars, and others online games.
a lot people would quit because of these.

some people enjoy the fun of gathering gear that work for both ways, introducing pvp set would only separate the two worlds, and to be honest, even tho I am main pvper, pvp and pve has to be connected in the game for it to be fun. at least that works for me, and it was the reason I quit guildwars 2 and SWTOR.

simonever · December 2013

Of course many ppl speak about pug pvp or they have very few experience in that. GWF don't kill EVERY class; a same lvl gear CW or TR can kill me as i can kill them. Is it normal that many GWF go with a tank build for pvp, ice knife can crit for 20k or more, TR can 2-3 shot destro or instigator gwf, GF can chain knockback everything; so a sentinel lost A LOT of dmg to gain a lot of defence. I don't see the point ppl say "threatering rush" might be refixed. With my 4600 attak power i can hit a well geared mage only for 900-2000 max crit and i assure u that a well geared CW is a pain. About ranger i don't understand where is the nerf. In pvp i always see rangers kill CW, TR easly, but it's not normal to control a char that have a skill to "avoid control", that's all.

unstoppable can be interrupted since module 2

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