I'm in full timeless, with lvl 6 runes, conqueror tree and i'm only 13.5. This other gf has all blues, the only epic gear he had was shirt,pants,sword, and shield and he was 15k. WTF?
he is probably stacking more power than you, getting double points from the reckless attacker feat. if you are only 13.5 in the gear you described, sounds like you are focusing more on other stats.
I'm in full timeless, with lvl 6 runes, conqueror tree and i'm only 13.5. This other gf has all blues, the only epic gear he had was shirt,pants,sword, and shield and he was 15k. WTF?
One of my builds is exactly the same as you (Timeless + R6 + Conq.) and I have over 16k GS in it.
It is just Power stacking. A good Conq. GF always stacks Power on their gear and not their pet due to Reckless Attacker.
It actually might be easier with certain blues. Imagine getting all +5 Smiting pieces, which all give tons of power. In fact, here's a perfect example: This guy. He has 12k power with blues and a gs of 16k. So much power.
Ok then I have a question. If you can get 12K power in a GF in blues except for the weap and off hand in epic. What about the roques and GWF characters??? Can they get like ohhh maybe 20K power??? Well I mean if you can do 12K in GF with blues you should be able to get 20K for a GWF and Roque I guess, No???
On closer inspection, he actually has 12.8k power.
The GF is the only class that can/should realistically reach power levels above 9k. The reason other classes will never reach power levels of 10k and above is because of the nature of the GF Conqueror capstone feat, which doubles the power of the GF while their guard is full. So, that GF with 12.8k power actually has around 6.4k power, but the Conqueror path doubles his power. The other classes do not have this, so no, any power level above 10k is not possible (as far as I know) for the GWF and TR.
On another note, pure power is not as effective as arpen+power. If the guy with 12.8k power slotted dark enchants for arpen instead of radiants for additional power, he would do more damage, though his impressive power stat would decrease a bit.
So stacks of power in the slots can give you 16K versus 13K??? With the same armor?? So power ench are higher gear score rated in armor????
Like I said,
1. Reckless Attacker feat is one of the few feats in the game that affect GS. This impact is only from Power on your own gear (not companion and not buffs or additional GS from "Features" like Boons).
2. But since that feat doubles this Power, the GS impact is also high, e.g. to go from 13k to 16k, you just need an additional actual 1.5k Power on yourself for +3k GS.
wrong...
From 100 to 101 => 1%
From 300 to 301 => 0.33%
are you trolling?
You do not understand the meaning of diminishing returns on a stat rating. It refers to the effectiveness of stacking the stat rating to gain the same amount of underlying stat, i.e. reductions in the conversion of the rating.
Power's underlying stat is Damage and Healing Bonus. Stacking Power does not reduce the amount of Damage and Healing Bonus returned. It is always and exactly 4% (or divide Power by 25). It even tells you that by hovering over the Power tooltip in your character sheet!
So ... if you continue the insults in this otherwise clean thread, you will be reported.
I saw a GF with 17k GS in pvp the other day. Wish this game wasn't pay to win...
The power stacking GFs. Most of them don't seem to bother with arpen though, which confuses me. I'd rather have 6.5k power with 2k arpen than 10.5k power and no arpen.
I saw a GF with 17k GS in pvp the other day. Wish this game wasn't pay to win...
Since the thread has shown they are doing it with blue gear not epics, and that they'd be more effective if they stacked some armor penetration instead of all power... how is that pay to win? Seems like grind for free to show off epeen to me. Doesn't seem like the higher gear score translates to win.
The power stacking GFs. Most of them don't seem to bother with arpen though, which confuses me. I'd rather have 6.5k power with 2k arpen than 10.5k power and no arpen.
You seems to ignore your DEX add to your ARP but isnt written on your "arp" tooltip. You have to hover mouse on your dex if you wanna see it.
for example i have 26dex with heroism potion+camp which give me 16% ARP so i only need 2% more for trash and 8% more for bosses.... i run with only 800-900~ arp cant remember the exact number and i am capped.
Also only your main gear (+boons) are multiplied by conqueror. Buff are not doubled (such as old stalwart buff and pet buff and potion, etc). thats why people put power in main gear and use pet as tweaking with arp/crit/rec
Crit, it soft cap very fast and we dont have any stat that increase it, we are much like crit deprived, with good enchant (and the upcoming artifact) you can get a cheap 2000 crit which is far enough. All the rest you should focus on Power.
Im stacking a lot of REGEN+HP aswell because they work in pair... the more hp the more regen....
Recovery, is basicaly garbage, i mean it cap fast and main gear give you 2K without effort or need of enchant...
Now i am at like 7-8K power(depending on gear swapping) 1.5K crit 2K rec 1.5K regen and working on lifesteal. with module 2. I should easily tweak my stat to 10K power 2K crit 3k rec 1.5K regen 1.5K lifesteal. Here you will see what a powerhouse is.
Now all you need is to learn to generate AP with your shield... conquerors are scared to lose their shield because they lose power... while its true at lower GS, when you have 4K+ without conqueror power you can trash people even if your shield is wiped....
Finaly try the feywild enchant (bronzewood) it give a brutal +16% dmg which stack on top of arp... if used wisely that what make the difference between shooting a guy with 1 burst and having to run for/block from him.
Contrary to what people think, other enchants gives only damage on weapon BASE dmg, so if your weapon is 400-600 and you have a 20% lightining, it will do 80-120 per HIT(and per target) regardless if it is a at will for 2000 dmg or a skill for 20K dmg you will do 80-120...
GPF is only 3% per stack (not 15%) AND currently bugged and make only 1 stack.
Perfect Terror is only 4% and not 20%!
Hope all this help, not sure this is the right place to say, but i think it will help peoples out.
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One of my builds is exactly the same as you (Timeless + R6 + Conq.) and I have over 16k GS in it.
It is just Power stacking. A good Conq. GF always stacks Power on their gear and not their pet due to Reckless Attacker.
17k GF and higher is not unknown either.
Gear Score really means nothing after 12k for all classes.
But yeah, 18k+ with Fabled "tank" set is completely doable without much effort beyond Rank 8s and a Normal set of enchants.
Your missing the point. He said the one he saw was in blues not epics and 15K gs. I don't think that is possible with blues guys.
The GF is the only class that can/should realistically reach power levels above 9k. The reason other classes will never reach power levels of 10k and above is because of the nature of the GF Conqueror capstone feat, which doubles the power of the GF while their guard is full. So, that GF with 12.8k power actually has around 6.4k power, but the Conqueror path doubles his power. The other classes do not have this, so no, any power level above 10k is not possible (as far as I know) for the GWF and TR.
On another note, pure power is not as effective as arpen+power. If the guy with 12.8k power slotted dark enchants for arpen instead of radiants for additional power, he would do more damage, though his impressive power stat would decrease a bit.
Like I said,
1. Reckless Attacker feat is one of the few feats in the game that affect GS. This impact is only from Power on your own gear (not companion and not buffs or additional GS from "Features" like Boons).
2. But since that feat doubles this Power, the GS impact is also high, e.g. to go from 13k to 16k, you just need an additional actual 1.5k Power on yourself for +3k GS.
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Yes. None.
wrong...
From 100 to 101 => 1%
From 300 to 301 => 0.33%
are you trolling?
You do not understand the meaning of diminishing returns on a stat rating. It refers to the effectiveness of stacking the stat rating to gain the same amount of underlying stat, i.e. reductions in the conversion of the rating.
Power's underlying stat is Damage and Healing Bonus. Stacking Power does not reduce the amount of Damage and Healing Bonus returned. It is always and exactly 4% (or divide Power by 25). It even tells you that by hovering over the Power tooltip in your character sheet!
So ... if you continue the insults in this otherwise clean thread, you will be reported.
The power stacking GFs. Most of them don't seem to bother with arpen though, which confuses me. I'd rather have 6.5k power with 2k arpen than 10.5k power and no arpen.
Since the thread has shown they are doing it with blue gear not epics, and that they'd be more effective if they stacked some armor penetration instead of all power... how is that pay to win? Seems like grind for free to show off epeen to me. Doesn't seem like the higher gear score translates to win.
You seems to ignore your DEX add to your ARP but isnt written on your "arp" tooltip. You have to hover mouse on your dex if you wanna see it.
for example i have 26dex with heroism potion+camp which give me 16% ARP so i only need 2% more for trash and 8% more for bosses.... i run with only 800-900~ arp cant remember the exact number and i am capped.
Also only your main gear (+boons) are multiplied by conqueror. Buff are not doubled (such as old stalwart buff and pet buff and potion, etc). thats why people put power in main gear and use pet as tweaking with arp/crit/rec
Crit, it soft cap very fast and we dont have any stat that increase it, we are much like crit deprived, with good enchant (and the upcoming artifact) you can get a cheap 2000 crit which is far enough. All the rest you should focus on Power.
Im stacking a lot of REGEN+HP aswell because they work in pair... the more hp the more regen....
Recovery, is basicaly garbage, i mean it cap fast and main gear give you 2K without effort or need of enchant...
Now i am at like 7-8K power(depending on gear swapping) 1.5K crit 2K rec 1.5K regen and working on lifesteal. with module 2. I should easily tweak my stat to 10K power 2K crit 3k rec 1.5K regen 1.5K lifesteal. Here you will see what a powerhouse is.
Now all you need is to learn to generate AP with your shield... conquerors are scared to lose their shield because they lose power... while its true at lower GS, when you have 4K+ without conqueror power you can trash people even if your shield is wiped....
Finaly try the feywild enchant (bronzewood) it give a brutal +16% dmg which stack on top of arp... if used wisely that what make the difference between shooting a guy with 1 burst and having to run for/block from him.
Contrary to what people think, other enchants gives only damage on weapon BASE dmg, so if your weapon is 400-600 and you have a 20% lightining, it will do 80-120 per HIT(and per target) regardless if it is a at will for 2000 dmg or a skill for 20K dmg you will do 80-120...
GPF is only 3% per stack (not 15%) AND currently bugged and make only 1 stack.
Perfect Terror is only 4% and not 20%!
Hope all this help, not sure this is the right place to say, but i think it will help peoples out.