are the PreMades here terrified of real competition like they are in other MMO's?

kuriousjorj · November 2013

I've noticed in a few other MMO's that do not separate solo vs PreMade-only queues, that the pre-maders do every thing they can, lobbying on the forums, to make sure no such queue is ever put in place.

They're scared of having to face other pre-mades, and losing their easy PUG farming.

Now of course, legit Pre-Made groups, ones that want competition, they usually agree w/ the idea of group vs solo queuing. They like competition. They like starting on even ground. But the Pre-Mades that are basically scared, they don't.

And they'll use every excuse, every ridiculous explanation, every mental gymnastic possible, to shift the goal post, confuse the issue, rationalize, justify, etc etc etc., instead of just admitting... they're scared of facing other groups. Beating up on PUGs is easy. Who knows... maybe it lets them feel something they can't otherwise feel IRL.

Regardless, there should be a group/pre-made queue, separate from the solo queue. It seems this game has a healthy population and could support it.

Oh, you "just like playing with your friends?" Fine. Go play against other people, playing with theirs.

rollingonit · November 2013

Not sure where you got that idea from. Most of the pvp guilds, at least individuals from those guilds, have voiced their opinion in favor of a premade queue. They infact have premade chat channel, where you can attempt to find premade matches. Theres also been a idea where you join a group of 10 and pick teams with capts like you would in a true "pug" style game.

slushpsycho · November 2013

I would vote for optional premade queue for those players who are geared and skilled.
Crushing pug with premade is fun, but when I go solo I get crushed by premades, more annoying part is that when I quit the match my teammate would just pm me and rage... And when I offer them to do a premade with my guild/friends, they just put me on ignore list

sveta0 · November 2013

Obvious troll post is obvious...

/channel_join PmvsPM

immahealyounow · November 2013

OP, I'm not sure where you get that idea from. I certainly don't know many premades that would turn down a good 5v5 match. If there was a separate queue available (or just a convenient way to organize private matches), I don't think you would see nearly as much pug stomping.

gannicsgladiator · November 2013

go bring ranked premade Q please.
Enemy Team would love that.

ikeepit3hunna · November 2013

gannicsgladiator wrote: »

go bring ranked premade Q please.
Enemy Team would love that.

I second that idea

tarmalen · November 2013

Has to be a big troll. Then again it is morning and I have my coffee so let's play.

Premades WANT a premade vs premade queue. Premade vs pug is NO fun.

Game is over in 2 minutes or less with people getting steamrolled or dropping.

It is a WASTE of time for everyone.

When folks solo queue they do NOT want to go against a premade.

ikeepit3hunna · November 2013

Actualy I'm forced to solo que a lot in hopes of finding a mid tier premade so I can practice. Pickup matches in pmvspm take 2 hours to set up and more then 1 a team vs pugs is boring as all hell,

colonelwing · November 2013

kuriousjorj wrote: »

I've noticed in a few other MMO's that do not separate solo vs PreMade-only queues, that the pre-maders do every thing they can, lobbying on the forums, to make sure no such queue is ever put in place.

They're scared of having to face other pre-mades, and losing their easy PUG farming.

Now of course, legit Pre-Made groups, ones that want competition, they usually agree w/ the idea of group vs solo queuing. They like competition. They like starting on even ground. But the Pre-Mades that are basically scared, they don't.

And they'll use every excuse, every ridiculous explanation, every mental gymnastic possible, to shift the goal post, confuse the issue, rationalize, justify, etc etc etc., instead of just admitting... they're scared of facing other groups. Beating up on PUGs is easy. Who knows... maybe it lets them feel something they can't otherwise feel IRL.

Regardless, there should be a group/pre-made queue, separate from the solo queue. It seems this game has a healthy population and could support it.

Oh, you "just like playing with your friends?" Fine. Go play against other people, playing with theirs.

This happened 2 times out of 100+ matches to me, so far. But it isn't as you're describing it.
The people with brains, do like a challenge and are actually in favor and asking for a seperated premade queue option since the game went live.

Personally, i cannot get a grip of group PvP either way. I am too used to going 1on1 in other games, anything other than 1on1 is ganking, to me. And as long as NW doesn't offer such a feature (1on1 arena/duelling etc.) PvP is just a shadow of what it could potentially be/become and irellevant.

Take care.

munkey81 · November 2013

ikeepit3hunna wrote: »

Actualy I'm forced to solo que a lot in hopes of finding a mid tier premade so I can practice. Pickup matches in pmvspm take 2 hours to set up and more then 1 a team vs pugs is boring as all hell,

This..

We all want competitive matches. But its a complete pain the a$$ to set them up trying to time the Q correctly, many times when we finally do get the right Q, 1 player on either side gets kicked, so have to start all over.

I tend to end up solo q'ing more often then not, as its easier and I'd rather play alone, then waste the little time I have to play the game, instead of waiting around for 2 hours trying to get a match because Cryptic has yet to acknowledge our want for an easier way to play each other in organized matches.

There is absolutely no fun at all. Curb stomping people into submission in the first 30 seconds.

I..would rather lose 1000 times in a row in a close match, then curb stomp a pug group even once.

pointsman · November 2013

There should be a premade vs. premade queue, if and only if the PUG queue *forbids* premades of any type.

slezki · November 2013

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?534941-PvP-que-system

kaoswp · November 2013

1- I agree we need a different queue system.

2- we can't do just one premade and one solo. What if I just wanted to play with a buddy? We have no queue.

3- we don't like always pug killing, but there is a severe shortage of premades to fight because there is no system for it.

godlysoul1 · November 2013

In this game the items obtained from pvp (glory/low tier lv 60 gear) are very insignificant compared to what could be earned doing other activities. Therefore, beyond winning 2 matches for a pvp daily AD quest, there is no benefit from wiping out an unskilled team. It isn't even fun because the advantages are so blown out of proportion most of the time. For me, I tend not to even get involved in guild premades going into pvp (except sometimes for daily AD) just because most of the time it is an easy win and just isn't enjoyable. In fact, even if I solo que and get into a good group that starts completely dominating the other team, I will leave in these instances because there is no challenge/reward in killing off beginners or people who are just bad at pvp. It is much more rewarding and a much better learning experience for getting better at pvp when you fight people who are better at pvp, so I strive to find these matches even when I solo q because I know that is the only way I am going to get better at it. (Aside from grinding out better gear :P)

I'm all for implementing a balanced que-ing system or premade vs premade system.

frost168 · November 2013

the question should not be, "why do premades join to fight pugs" but "why do pugs join pvp ?" it's 5 v 5. obviously meant for premades.

they should ban all pugs from entering 5 v 5 pvp. either join as a group of 5, or don't enter. Problem solved.

Pugs will always QQ. I have been in many many pug groups where the opposing pugs drop out. It's not the current system, it's the crappy pugs.

oh but wait. as soon as they make a separate premade 5 v 5 que. The same horrible pugs will QQ that the groups they pug together get ROFLstomped by good guild premades. So we will obviously need another queue for "good" premades, so the "horribad" premades can fight without getting stomped.

screw the queue altogether and allow instant pvp challenges. pretty crappy when u want to fight a premade v premade, and have to leave a battle 2-7 times in a row until the game finally matches you up with the group u want to fight.

the entire pvp set up here is a joke. You should be able to view all who are in pvp, allowing 1 v 1 matchups and 5 v 5's. Not to mention would be nice to see a 10v10 or 20v20 for guilds to have fun in.

PVP needs a complete makeover. Don't ask for small stuff, they need to get off their collective butts and make pvp much much better.

rollingonit · November 2013

Because when Im lvling, Im looking for some awesome premade vs premade action in the lvl 20-29 bracket... righttt.....

Agreed pvp needs some major work, but not by that reasoning.

dkcandy · November 2013

YES

/10char

are the PreMades here terrified of real competition like they are in other MMO's?

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