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Think out of the purple box[PVP CLERIC BUILD]

wingserwingser Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 70
edited October 2013 in The Temple
Really im not going to debate about this long you all dont see the logic of pvp.

Stay alive and cast your mitigation spells and heal. Power of heal doesnt matter as long as you can heal all the time.

This is going to be easy, stack up defense.

Be a human if you can and take all feats with protection, get FORESIGHT and put feats in BENEFIT OF FORESIGHT!

Remember, this is PVP only.

Passives: Foresight, Holy Fervor

Encounters: Healing Word, Astral Shield and Sun Burst(mostly use with Divine Power to push people off point)

Dailies: Divine Armor and Hollowed Ground

Feats:

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Now here comes the gem of why this build is good and whats different from others."]

GET THE EXEMPLAR ARMOR OF PROTECTION,ITS BLUE. LEVEL 60. YOU GET MORE DEFENSE THAN AN AVERAGE GUARDIAN FIGHTER.
I don't play a healer or have one so i dont have the whole set, i bought it for guildies before. I only have 2 screenshots for you guys.

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It will also keep you alive forever in T2 runs and stuff, but you wont be able to heal as well.

In summary, stack defense & recovery.(there's also main and offhand weapons with exemplar of protection.)

Enchant your **** with recovery or hp. Get rings with defensive slots or get the ones with +243 defense.

I do not play a cleric i just hate killing them too easily in PvP and i helped out some guildies. :)

Hope you enjoy this build kinda thing.
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  • hidahayabusahidahayabusa Member Posts: 634 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    Although this is common sense, it seems to be coming from someone that doesn't play a DC. You are missing some of the best feats of the class by going second tree. The Healing Step and Restoration Mastery from Righteous are paramount for PvP.

    Stacking Defense is obvious. Stacking Deflect and Regen are not, and that's a good way to think out of the box. The most popular thread in this forum is a CON/DEX DC build with high regeneration. It lacks healing but excels in tanking so that's better.

    If you want high def output, go full divine emissary (passively helps team also) and opt for 1 point in Bountiful Fortune (lots of Recovery)

    The main thing about PvP is positioning and learning when to Dodge. Itemisation will only get you up to a point, but dodging the right stuff is essential.
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  • craeh1craeh1 Member Posts: 135 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    ... o0
    Defense is not that important, than you might think.
    As said, deflect and regeneration are a bit more, since most clerics keep dodging and moving - so defense is pointless, but regenerating while that is kinda gold.
    Also Faithful isn't the best path for PvP, well foresight is fine... Moontouched could be fine, but its hard to keep APs up in my opinion...


    But still the biggest question to me: why is someone setting up a build,... by not playing and testing it on his/herown?...
    May check out GCTRL's Sentinel, and also that equip, it's pretty tankable.
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  • wingserwingser Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 70
    edited October 2013
    Although this is common sense, it seems to be coming from someone that doesn't play a DC. You are missing some of the best feats of the class by going second tree. The Healing Step and Restoration Mastery from Righteous are paramount for PvP.

    Stacking Defense is obvious. Stacking Deflect and Regen are not, and that's a good way to think out of the box. The most popular thread in this forum is a CON/DEX DC build with high regeneration. It lacks healing but excels in tanking so that's better.

    If you want high def output, go full divine emissary (passively helps team also) and opt for 1 point in Bountiful Fortune (lots of Recovery)

    The main thing about PvP is positioning and learning when to Dodge. Itemisation will only get you up to a point, but dodging the right stuff is essential.

    I wish you could make collaberation threads haha.

    To be honest you can go any tree and at first i just wanted to make a thread with all caps saying; buy exemplar's armor.
    Also i just looked through the feats you mentioned and i disagree, you honestly dont really NEED those 2 feats. I'm going to repeat again;

    You're going to be focused big time when the players are good, all you have to do is stay alive for your team to kill everything. Sure extra dodges help but not as much as racking up 3K defense. Trust me. Then enchant some HP and bam.

    It really helped by guildies alot so i thought i'd share. ^^
    craeh1 wrote: »
    ... o0
    Defense is not that important, than you might think.
    As said, deflect and regeneration are a bit more, since most clerics keep dodging and moving - so defense is pointless, but regenerating while that is kinda gold.
    Also Faithful isn't the best path for PvP, well foresight is fine... Moontouched could be fine, but its hard to keep APs up in my opinion...


    But still the biggest question to me: why is someone setting up a build,... by not playing and testing it on his/herown?...
    May check out GCTRL's Sentinel, and also that equip, it's pretty tankable.

    Defense is far more important than deflect, and the armor also gives recovery.

    The armor is better than the average purple, just too bad it doesnt have a set bonus ):

    Before you judge over this guide, try it yourself first in pvp.
  • hidahayabusahidahayabusa Member Posts: 634 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    wingser wrote: »
    Also i just looked through the feats you mentioned and i disagree, you honestly dont really NEED those 2 feats. I'm going to repeat again;

    If you play as a DC you will agree. Healing step gives back HP and make you able to Dodge double the times (100% stamina regen), every 15 sec per critical. Don't skip it.

    The +5% Def buff per critical heal is a no-brainer also.

    As far as stackind Def goes, and focusing on craeh1's post, you should stack as much as possible and then some more. The way ArmPen and Defense debuff works in NW is very odd. If you have a defense of 10% and the opponent has a way to ignore 30%, then you are giving him a 20% damage boost.

    So, suppose that 90% of players run with at least 24% ArmPen for PvE reasons, and most of them will even go much higher (30-40%) for PvP...if you disregard Defense you are going to be a lamb in a slaughterhouse.
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  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Many actual experienced DC's are not going to take anything in this build seriously with someone who puts points into the pitiful Domain Synergy heroic feat or the capstone of Faithful tree in a non-dps pvp build... Let alone thinks Defense is the be all and end all in PvP!

    You seriously think that after almost a year, stacked Defense builds with or without PvE healing specs and many many more have not been tried?

    The only truly tanky PvP Cleric is the one outlined in the class forum sticky, i.e. GCTRL's Sentinel build and variations around it based on DEX/Deflection/CON/HP + Regen.

    Even in pugs, Regen builds will do far better than any stacked Defense build due to player's high mitigation reduction (Armor Penetration, many stacked debuff class spells, builtin Resistance Ignored of GWF and GF, sets like High Vizier, enhancements like Plague Fire and Terror etc). Against Premades, even Regen builds will fail and you go Deflection or die horribly...

    To me it sounds like someone is just angling to bump up sales of Exemplar defense blue armor, into which you cannot even slot an armor enhancement!
  • wingserwingser Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 70
    edited October 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    Many actual experienced DC's are not going to take anything in this build seriously with someone who puts points into the pitiful Domain Synergy heroic feat or the capstone of Faithful tree in a non-dps pvp build... Let alone thinks Defense is the be all and end all in PvP!

    You seriously think that after almost a year, stacked Defense builds with or without PvE healing specs and many many more have not been tried?

    The only truly tanky PvP Cleric is the one outlined in the class forum sticky, i.e. GCTRL's Sentinel build and variations around it based on DEX/Deflection/CON/HP + Regen.

    Even in pugs, Regen builds will do far better than any stacked Defense build due to player's high mitigation reduction (Armor Penetration, many stacked debuff class spells, builtin Resistance Ignored of GWF and GF, sets like High Vizier, enhancements like Plague Fire and Terror etc). Against Premades, even Regen builds will fail and you go Deflection or die horribly...

    To me it sounds like someone is just angling to bump up sales of Exemplar defense blue armor, into which you cannot even slot an armor enhancement!

    TAKE ANY ****ING FEAT TREE AND RUN IT WIT HTHIS ARMOR AND IT WORKS WONDERS
    i do truely suggest that you get 5 feats in the foresight thing tho then just run any other tree, np.

    thanks :d
  • craeh1craeh1 Member Posts: 135 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    So by your last post, I even take it less serious than earlier...

    All you wanna say is use foresight + benefit? That's no secret at all. And also no secret it's working fine.
    Most PvP builds running with 3+ points in benefit.
    And as said, defense only is kinda half the way - ofc you stay longer with a higher def, by what prize?
    Having the def high enough to encounter the dmg boost is just enough in my opinion, after having that: deflect + regen.

    Just on the fly: Clerics part is being a supporting hybrid, end of the song: he's no full healer, also he's also not a high DPS only character. At least on D&D itself, since Neverwinter mostly uses D&D areasettings a fwe things just came also to the classes...
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  • gudgeonatorgudgeonator Member Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    From my experience - stacking either defense, deflect, regen or HP ALONE is not enough. Balancing decent levels of all of the above is key. That's what Gctrl's build does so successfully and efficiently. I've tried regen stacking and defense stacking. For some matchups it does wonders. But to cover all the ground the balance is key and is maximally efficient when you take into account diminishing returns.

    I also second the use of healing step. That skill is a godsend. If you're on a heavily contested point and getting focus having to either sunburst bump or just stand there and deal after two dodges is not much fun. The bump ain't going to help you with that unstoppable gwf or the gf just out of bump range with his own bump/charge just coming off cooldown, or the cw sniping you at range. having a third and then soon after that a fourth dodge is awesome. Having healing's steps temp hit points to synergise with deepstone blessing for when you whack on a divine healing word or astral shield up is also awesome. if you have a divine armor ready to go - you've just maximized the effect. Healing step is a kiter's dream, and we need to kite to survive. I tried the moontouched build and it's simply not as good as heavy righteous.
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