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suggestions to stop exploits and Improve dungeons!
ulkaur
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
All this talk about dungeon exploits has gotten my mind going about why it happens and simple changes or improvements can change this. Let me know what you think
1. Institute requirements to proceed through the dungeon. If campfires required preceeding bosses to be dead before they could be used, it would stop the run past option players use. You could have the boss drop something that allows you to activate a campfire, and require you to not be in combat. In this manner, anyone present in the dungeon would have to be put in combat if anyone is or people could just run mobs far enough away for someone else to activate the campfire.
2. Reward players for clearing mobs on the way. Institute a monster morale level. Minor bosses in the dungeon could have minuses on stats or fewer adds generated based on the players killing things on the way there. Final boss could have similar penalties, but should still be powerful enough to be the dungeon boss. Most boss fights have frustratingly large amounts of adds, so this would help alot in my opinion.
3. Institute a prestige way of completing the dungeon.If the players wanted a challenge, you could have a secret path to each of the bosses that allows complete skipping of lesser mobs. This would be similar to #2 above, but buff the bosses instead so it becomes a more challenging encounter. Add achievements with titles to show the players completed the dungeon this way.
4. You could also have a buff be granted to the group for the remainder of the dungeon for each boss killed. For example, give a regen buff for killing first boss of Frozen Heart, and a damage resist buff for killing second.
Thanks for reading.
1. Institute requirements to proceed through the dungeon. If campfires required preceeding bosses to be dead before they could be used, it would stop the run past option players use. You could have the boss drop something that allows you to activate a campfire, and require you to not be in combat. In this manner, anyone present in the dungeon would have to be put in combat if anyone is or people could just run mobs far enough away for someone else to activate the campfire.
2. Reward players for clearing mobs on the way. Institute a monster morale level. Minor bosses in the dungeon could have minuses on stats or fewer adds generated based on the players killing things on the way there. Final boss could have similar penalties, but should still be powerful enough to be the dungeon boss. Most boss fights have frustratingly large amounts of adds, so this would help alot in my opinion.
3. Institute a prestige way of completing the dungeon.If the players wanted a challenge, you could have a secret path to each of the bosses that allows complete skipping of lesser mobs. This would be similar to #2 above, but buff the bosses instead so it becomes a more challenging encounter. Add achievements with titles to show the players completed the dungeon this way.
4. You could also have a buff be granted to the group for the remainder of the dungeon for each boss killed. For example, give a regen buff for killing first boss of Frozen Heart, and a damage resist buff for killing second.
Thanks for reading.
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"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
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Using res points as a checkpoint is a fail. Use an item specifically designed for the purpose ^
If party fight hard all dungeon killing every spotted monster, final boss wouldnt have too much minions to call as backup - system should cap noticably an adds spawning rate or number. Otherwise, if party exploited dungeon or made "quick run" using campfires in effect avoided fights till final boss - thats fine, come and enjoy adds fest, as minions are "called" by boss from rest of dungeon.
So it would be simple choice - if party prefer to fight longer, clean all dungeon and have easier final fight, or made quick run to face hard fight at end.
Wrong, whoever made that up is a complete moron.
I love this, I have another option, and one that would make complete sense. If you bypass Sub-Bosses and Mobs, they immediately start making their way to the Main Boss, just as they would in real life, as the sounds of battle and alarms would let them know something is amiss.
AKA Cyber Troll and Euben Hadd
However exploits are a low priority because they allow more people to run dungeons and have more Ad and more stuff to sell. This activity returns metrics that display people playing the game actively. Which in turn yields more on paper profit and investment.
There are numerous complex layers that MMOs could design and add in in order to avoid exploitation or the zerg mind. However the zerg mind mentality are the same addicts who will fight each other over scraps and sit at the Ah and try to game it for hours and are the same type of people who will pump real life cash into the system to have a better mount than other people. It is unfortunately why social systems tend to cater to a specific set of people and that is because those people according to metrics are the most active.
It is unlikely we will see if we ever do see innovation win over the metrics of profit (theoretical or actual).
People would only quit because the game is too hard for them.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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Plus it would mean less pushing mobs off cliffs, because dead mobs off cliff = lost loot
That would only work in the short term - as soon as the farmers flooded the market with these things, they'd drop in price, and we'd be right back where we are now. Unfortunately, the only real way to stop cheaters/exploiters would be to impose heavy penalties upon those who cheat/exploit - such as bans or taking away their ill-gotten gains.
I'd also like to make everyone aware that a custom chat channel has been created for anyone who does *not* want to use cheats or exploits - NW_Legit_Community: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?503791-New-channel-created-NW_Legit_Community
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
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yes but idk why they dint still make it so
Create a nice and deep hole in a non accessible area (the abbyss in Rappelz) and throw every single exploiter into it without a chance of ever getting out of it, again. They are still able to log in, but playing an mmo in a dark deep pit doesn't sound like fun.
Neverwinter needs an Abbyss, badly.
If there were alternative secret paths that the players could discover using class class specific skills, it wouldn't be an exploit, it would be content that was intentionally put there by the developers. When you are taking advantage of design faults, that is an exploit.
Would there be an endless undead horde down there?
The only fix i see is waving the ban hammer, coding anti cheating spells on monsters (no, you can't kill them safely), changing how respawns work, making going to forbidden areas strictly impossible (coding "character_can't_move" should be doable), making a good use of any alive NPC during the boss fight, like adding their HPs x2 to the boss or something like that, etc. Of course that's a lot of work, and i'm not sure cryptic is willing to do it, but at some point they will do something, just because adding invisible walls isn't enough and doesn't solve safe spots issues, mobs suicides, running and dying to the respawn point.
Maybe for the running and dying at the campfires they could make it where you have to kill X amount of mobs in order to unlock the next campfire.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
Exploit is when one person can do it and another can't. The choice element in this concoction means that the developers could find a way to embrace the fact it is something that can be done and this is the way some people have fun. The vitriol against exploiters is frankly pathetic on the grounds that in past iterations of the game there were novel and differing ways to push the limits of the controls and environments given. This is emergent gameplay and cats for a vast array of play styles. You were never forced to exploit and so your rage against those that choose to is misguided. Think of the upshot if you get your wish, no way but to be forced to blandly mash up vast numbers of mobs. There is no imagination to the fights in the dungeons, the design is linear and dull. If there is no way to do the dungeons other than move from point A to point B with a pre defined class mix then what was frankly one of the major things that made this game stand out and be fun dies with it.
The point is the chance was there to do something imaginative and different. Cryotic and PW chose not to, and frankly I'm amazed so many of the gamers are actually asking them to bland it up further.
All you are doing is cheating to get loot faster, so please stop with the speeches and philosophies.
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
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