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Repel effect "cancelled"?
crystal892f
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Hey guys,
I've been noticing an effect regarding Repel in PvP again and again and now want to know your experience with it.
I've had it several times now that an enemy is stunned, frozen or whatever - or even simply standing there for whatever reason - and when I cast Repel he doesn't move an inch. And no, I don't talk about an activation of GWFs berserk, TRs ITC or a GFs blocking or dodged attacks: The person is really disabled - by me or another team member.
Generally I have the feeling the distance Repel pushes back varies on factors I don't know. I mean, on Hotenow Dominion sometimes I can push an enemy down from the high point, and sometimes I can't. As if something can "cancel" the push back effect. I don't get it.
Does anyone have similar experiences and maybe even an explanation for it? If not, it may be a bug and should be reported. And hopefully it gets fixed...
I've been noticing an effect regarding Repel in PvP again and again and now want to know your experience with it.
I've had it several times now that an enemy is stunned, frozen or whatever - or even simply standing there for whatever reason - and when I cast Repel he doesn't move an inch. And no, I don't talk about an activation of GWFs berserk, TRs ITC or a GFs blocking or dodged attacks: The person is really disabled - by me or another team member.
Generally I have the feeling the distance Repel pushes back varies on factors I don't know. I mean, on Hotenow Dominion sometimes I can push an enemy down from the high point, and sometimes I can't. As if something can "cancel" the push back effect. I don't get it.
Does anyone have similar experiences and maybe even an explanation for it? If not, it may be a bug and should be reported. And hopefully it gets fixed...
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If I would do a test, I'd try to hit the same guy multiple times and check the randomness of the effects there. If the same guy gets random distances then it should be something with the damage output of Repel. If not, then it's probable that Repel gets reduced by Stats and Racials.
If this were true (static resist values), the negated effect should show up always against that player. But I had cases where I couldn't push back a player one time. And another time I could.
But this thought together this your statement, that the push back might correlate with the damage of Repel, I have a theory: Deflect.
If I understand it correctly (I never stack Deflect, so I don't know much about it), Deflect gives a chance to (completely) negate the damage of an incoming attack.
This could explain the findings: Because it's a chance, the effect sometimes shows up and sometimes not. And because of the negation, Repel does no damage and therefore doesn't push back.
Or does Deflect also negate CC effects like push back in general? This could also be an explanation.
The Deflection theory would make sense if this Damage/Distance relation was true, but unfortunately the NW tooltips aren't THAT helpful.
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So if I, as a CW, have 25 Wisdom, that's 15% Control Resistance. So if somebody CC's me with a skill duration of 1 second, the Resistance reduces this by 15%, so I only get CC'ed for 0,85 seconds.
Am I wrong?
"If someone hits me with Repel and would make me fly for 20', I will only fly for 20'*0,85=17'"
Sounds legit.
In general Repel is a very strange spell. I have even been Repelled repeatedly at different distances and on different occasions through Villain's Menace, a CC-Immunity Daily, on my GF! This is ridiculous because Repel's CD is so low that I could be easily kept away with it combined with Ray of Frost eating through my guard and freezing me in place outside of VM already. It meant I had no way of approaching a CW... (Yes, I have bug-reported this)
Hmm, I always read it as a 15% chance to avoid CC, instead of 15% less CC duration or distance. Not sure. *shrug*
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Yeah, I thought so. I remember a Dwarf one time that wasn't affected by my Ice Storm in PVP. I was like, "What-the-fudge?!"
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But I still would like to know if there really is a connection between damage dealt and distance pushed back. I think it HAS to be, because otherwise I can't explain why there are different push back distances for the same player. I really have to specifically watch out for this. Please to the same - the more data, the better we can make a correct assumption.
Also in pvp there are a ton of different class abilities/enchants that could contribute to different effects with the same spell. For example the other night there was a GF I played against several matches in a row and I just could not get cc to stick to this guy at all. I saw him in PE afterwards and realized that he had a perfect elven battle enchantment in his chest which gives a large amount of cc resistance (not exactly sure on this but I think it's correct). So between different abilities/enchants/racials/stat bonuses etc. there are many contributing factors to how far Repel will push someone.
p.s. Although the elven battle enchant tooltip says "immobilizes and slows" it does appear to work on EF, which is rather unfortunate =(
Elven Battle affects slows and immobilizes, not knockbacks. It also doesn't explain how my Shocking Execution is sometimes not doing any damage. It seems more like my skills are just not connecting at all, rather than getting resisted.