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Why isn't gear randomized in games like it was in Diablo?
endocin
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Just random except harder areas got better chance at really nice stuff.. then no constant run for "Bobs Uber Belt of Epic Death".. AH would always had different stuff and stats.. personally I like it because everyone is different then. Lots of variety. But no games do it. Its FUN! Makes more like D&D as you never know what might happen. Makes scrolls valuable.. maybe health, maybe crit, maybe proc, maybe etc. Uber folks can still buy the best on AH..everyone can look different too. Probably costs more as always..
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The purple pieces appear to have their stats specifically chosen by the devs...
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you have the ability to customize your gear with enchantments. you can use combinations of all kinds of gear to accomplish whatever it is you're trying to accomplish.
in d3, everybody all had the same gear, the same slotted gems and very little variation.
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i'm not talking about the random rares. i'm talking about the uniques.
This is not an ARPG. I heavily dislike the pure RNG factor in games such as Diablo/PoE/TQ etc.
In NWO I know I can farm CN for Ancient weapons. I know I can get helmet T2 from SP. I don't want to be a slave to the pure RNG of suffixes and affixes on base items, it's insane.
Loot tables are amazingly fine. Please play an ARPG if you don't like them. When I didn't like RNG lootsplosions in PoE I was told to go play an MMO, so there you go the same road :P
Uniques in D3 have some random stats with the set ones too. Its funny, D3 items drop/loot is pretty much a failure. Even the Devs there admit it. They are working on what they call Loot 2.0 or something to fix it. I don't think any game anywhere would adpot that system.
The thing in Neverwinter is that everyone is crazy about Gear Score, but if you search through the Blue gear you will find that it can have some pretty wild stats, kinda like the Magic/Rare gear in Diablo. Some Green items can have stats the you might not expect from that type of gear and even unusual sockets. I have found a belt with Offense Socket on it. Also I hear there some special rewards in PvP which can have unusual stats, but my experience with PvP is very limited.
I wouldn't cry if this got implemented, but I'm fine with things for the most part.
They went from selling 100k+ AD to pennies. The PvP gear fell into the same category.
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i like the neverwinter loot system.
I think in Neverwinter we still need "named items" from the T1/T2/CN/etc.... but giving random properties to blues and greens isnt a bad idea at all.
same with games like elderscroll/skyrim. some players wish that gears should be random in skyrim. No company can please everyone.
Lorewise, in the D&D world, EVERY magical item was handcrafted with a fair bit of effort and expense on the part of the craftsman/enchanter/etc. Meaning, it would not even make sense to have hyper-random loot like diablo where you get a "wizards hat" with strength and dex or a barbarian's weapon with intellect and so on --- because no craftsman/enchanter would DO that.
I have played d3 for hours a night for weeks on end without getting more than 1 or 2 items that were even worth trying to sell or use. And my character is not a trillion gold character with the best stuff, it is just a casual MP3ish character with no item worth more than 10 million or so, and only a couple of those. a 10 million gold item is still novice level gear, the really good stuff is over 1 billion a pop for reference. I do not see this game going there -- where people kill mobs for weeks on end hoping for just the right combo of stats for each gear slot.
That said, family affix/prefix gear that is appropriate for one of the classes in a "limited random" way is pretty sweet and would be a nice halfway measure. For example, a "rogue's" prefix could mean the item rolled (crit chance, armor pen) or a "knight's" item could mean (deflection, defense) or a "caster's" item might have power, recovery. Combine those with some sort of suffix and so on... you start to get useful but random drops. I think what we have is pretty close to this idea already, but what is missing are the "flavor" additions like "chance to do X when hit or hitting" type fun stuff.
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Something like this could be done.
That has NEVER happened to me... what dev did you <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> off?! I mean seriously!? That sounds like a bug.
You are so wrong. Blizzard acknowledges that they screwed up the loot system. They fixed it with the release of the console version. Loot 2.0 or something. I don't really follow but friends say it is so much better cause you get stats that you can use instead of garbage.
Neverwinter needs a little ground - I suggested this way back. Just copy, World of Warcraft with "Hardmode" "Heroics" or whatever you want to call it. The gear is only just slightly better, but not by a whole lot that people think the "need" it to be successful in the game. Think professions where you can upgrade your Tier piece to make it slightly better. Not everyone is interested cause it is so small, but those that do have something to aim for.