What's the difference between Basic Infantry Armor and worn infantry armor? What benefit does the green one give me over the white one? Same for weaponry.
There are leadership tasks that use the weapons and armor and if you have green ones you have a marginal chance of getting better items out of the chest awards - yes that is it. really i'm not joking I have a lot of the green armor and swords and it's really not worth the price to get them unless you plan on playing this game a lot over a long period of time to get your AD back on the investment.
Green weapon/armor assets give 15% more gold only . No more ADs and I haven't noticed better container drops with them. Just more gold.
Not even gold, more like Silver. Since the highest normal amount that can be attained through leadership is 20 silver.
Though I know you ment about the general currency as a whole. Just thought I'd point that out to people. It being only 20 silver for the highest normal amount. Any sort of % increase to gold gain is going to marginal.
I've noticed a higher rate on "blue' items when using the greens could be coincidence but it does appear they help get you better items in the chests more often then just using whites. Again just an observation and I've doing leadership on 12 characters for a long time all of which have at least one set of Green Sword and Armor per toon.
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gek1956Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I've noticed a higher rate on "blue' items when using the greens could be coincidence but it does appear they help get you better items in the chests more often then just using whites. Again just an observation and I've doing leadership on 12 characters for a long time all of which have at least one set of Green Sword and Armor per toon.
They only give you the container itself.. from that point it drops using its own proc. Now if it were like tool bennies on other professions, and could upgrade from a green to a blue container.. blue to purple etc. Then I would see it as a skill boost result.
What I HAVE noticed is that luck here appears to be highly cyclical. I have whole weeks when everything drops, and others where nothing good drops. It matters not what you are doing. I can recall 3 weeks in the last 2 months when I had from 3 to 6 coalescent ward drops from the invocation coffer, and in just about all of the rest I got nothing at all. I'm up to 18 toons now. I'm not going to work up a spreadsheet and do a statistical study for this, it isn't worth my time, but I will point out that being owned by a Chinese parent could have brought a bit of chinese traditionalism with it. Since astrology has long been viewed in the far east as having a large effect on fortune, maybe there is a mechanic in the PWE engine itself that cycles luck. Many RPGs out there have included luck as either a skill or an attribute. I don't know. We have trouble enough here just getting adequate patch notes, much less detailed game metrics.
I highly doubt there's any intent behind the RNG algorithm used in this game, it's just streaky.
As far as the uncommon leadership tools go, yeah, don't buy them. They're pointless unless you want that whopping 8% extra copper and XP (character XP not leadership XP, that would've made them slightly useful then). Strangely people will actually buy them even at the exorbitant prices I've seen, so you could always sell them to some poor sucker if you end up with some.
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khimera906Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 898Arc User
edited September 2013
I doubt it has anything to do with astrology, but I also noticed that "luck" is cyclical here. Some days every attempt to fuse Rank 6 enchantments into Rank 7 enchantment is a success, and some days I just can't fuse enchants passed Rank 4. This may just be coincidence, but I noticed it happening multiple times.
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axer128Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited September 2013
Do they even get the extra copper from the gateway?
I've noticed loading up my char with +gold gain items, if i collect ingame - that works. But on the gateway, such bonuses are not granted.
I highly doubt there's any intent behind the RNG algorithm used in this game, it's just streaky.
As far as the uncommon leadership tools go, yeah, don't buy them. They're pointless unless you want that whopping 8% extra copper and XP (character XP not leadership XP, that would've made them slightly useful then). Strangely people will actually buy them even at the exorbitant prices I've seen, so you could always sell them to some poor sucker if you end up with some.
Streakyness is not adequate here, It applies for smaller systems, such as solo or small multiplayer games where the CLIENT is actually generating the result. But in an MMO the kernel generator would run through several 'streaks' before it even got back around to one player's next iteration, so it's effectively buried, and the stats will show overall equal distributions for all numbers. Thus I used the word CYCLICAL to indicate a much more stable fluctuation, similar to what you would get with a variable bias.
I particularly remember in older Civilization games there was an option to reseed the RNG when you reloaded the game, giving the player a small cheat to avoid getting the exact same result in a combat no matter how many times you tried to redo it.
Maybe I'm just superstitious At any rate we have no way to access the raw data necessary to really analyze the system, so its moot.
And for my playstyle, even the heroes usually only up the daily income by about 1200 AD apiece per day, meaning that it will take them between 250 and 300 days to pay for themselves. Sure, you can theoretically get more but I'm not gonna set my whole schedule around the job cycles. This is after all a GAME not a job. :P
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gek1956Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Do they even get the extra copper from the gateway?
I've noticed loading up my char with +gold gain items, if i collect ingame - that works. But on the gateway, such bonuses are not granted.
The gateway is still rather buggy, so better report it. They are fixing small problems there every week. I always log in because I get it done much faster in game, so I wouldn't seen this problem.
Do you guys think it is possible that there are tier 1, 2 and 3 chest dropping from the leadersyip skill, just like you get different tier result from the other proffessions? If so it would make sense to buy those green assets.
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Do you guys think it is possible that there are tier 1, 2 and 3 chest dropping from the leadersyip skill, just like you get different tier result from the other proffessions? If so it would make sense to buy those green assets.
No, I have one toon using green weap/arm for 6 jobs, and have never gotten more than extra gold.
No, I have one toon using green weap/arm for 6 jobs, and have never gotten more than extra gold.
That does not answer the question if the very large chest of goods come in different tiers. A higher tier chest could have an increased chanse of dropping better goods. I doubt it would be possible draw a certain conclution based on experience on that. To much is left to chance.
With dreams to be a king, first one should be a man.
That does not answer the question if the very large chest of goods come in different tiers. A higher tier chest could have an increased chanse of dropping better goods. I doubt it would be possible draw a certain conclution based on experience on that. To much is left to chance.
I have never seen a chest upgrade. I don't often run jobs for the purple chests because they just don't drop very well, but I have not noticed tiering when I do. The most reliable container is the green barrel of goods. I can't recall ever getting a dragon egg from a leadership chest.
Yeah, sadly this game is feeling lately too MUCH of a gamble and luck... I been having disappointing results (NO RARE drops on my try's since the Nightmare lockboxes) on my real cash investment on keys trying to get the drops I want... Its really literally killing the game for me.
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axer128Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited October 2013
I checked and the green infantry weapon doesn't provide extra copper/silver. Nor better loot, diamonds, speed, or anything.
It does absolutely nothing atm. Don't have an armor, but highly doubt it's any different.
They are basically quality assets, but the devs never implemented rank 2 or 3 results on any leadership tasks, thus atm they do nothing. If they devs ever add that, then they may do something. For now, they are worth no more than the worn versions.
gek1956Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited October 2013
Just cycled my leadership... fight off spellplague pays 10 silver for my other characters, but the one with basic armor and basic infantry weapon gets 11 silver and 49 copper... worn tools boost for 8%+8% or 16%. Basic boost for 16%+ 16% or 32%. 16% difference. but the actual yield is nearly 15% more. Still works like its always worked. I bought 6 each of them hoping it would do more back when they were 20k apiece. I was disappointed, and didn't buy any more, but over 4 months they've actually made me almost, I'd say, a hundred extra gold, for what that's worth.
I have never seen a chest upgrade. I don't often run jobs for the purple chests because they just don't drop very well, but I have not noticed tiering when I do. The most reliable container is the green barrel of goods. I can't recall ever getting a dragon egg from a leadership chest.
Yes, you wouldn't notice it when it is not visible. That is why I'm asking if it is possible. Obviously you don't know the answer, cause every time you quote me, you fail in giving a relevant answer.
With dreams to be a king, first one should be a man.
Yes, you wouldn't notice it when it is not visible. That is why I'm asking if it is possible. Obviously you don't know the answer, cause every time you quote me, you fail in giving a relevant answer.
I only know what I see. Maybe the devs know better than me. I can only tell you that I have never seen a drop from a leadership chest that was not on its stated list of possibles. Sorry man, best I can do.
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Not even gold, more like Silver. Since the highest normal amount that can be attained through leadership is 20 silver.
Though I know you ment about the general currency as a whole. Just thought I'd point that out to people. It being only 20 silver for the highest normal amount. Any sort of % increase to gold gain is going to marginal.
They only give you the container itself.. from that point it drops using its own proc. Now if it were like tool bennies on other professions, and could upgrade from a green to a blue container.. blue to purple etc. Then I would see it as a skill boost result.
What I HAVE noticed is that luck here appears to be highly cyclical. I have whole weeks when everything drops, and others where nothing good drops. It matters not what you are doing. I can recall 3 weeks in the last 2 months when I had from 3 to 6 coalescent ward drops from the invocation coffer, and in just about all of the rest I got nothing at all. I'm up to 18 toons now. I'm not going to work up a spreadsheet and do a statistical study for this, it isn't worth my time, but I will point out that being owned by a Chinese parent could have brought a bit of chinese traditionalism with it. Since astrology has long been viewed in the far east as having a large effect on fortune, maybe there is a mechanic in the PWE engine itself that cycles luck. Many RPGs out there have included luck as either a skill or an attribute. I don't know. We have trouble enough here just getting adequate patch notes, much less detailed game metrics.
As far as the uncommon leadership tools go, yeah, don't buy them. They're pointless unless you want that whopping 8% extra copper and XP (character XP not leadership XP, that would've made them slightly useful then). Strangely people will actually buy them even at the exorbitant prices I've seen, so you could always sell them to some poor sucker if you end up with some.
Okay, Panic.
I've noticed loading up my char with +gold gain items, if i collect ingame - that works. But on the gateway, such bonuses are not granted.
-Epic Dread Vault Crushed.
Characters (Dragon): Axer (60 Guardian, Leader of Crush It!), Controller (60 Wizard), Warlocker (60 Warlock)
Streakyness is not adequate here, It applies for smaller systems, such as solo or small multiplayer games where the CLIENT is actually generating the result. But in an MMO the kernel generator would run through several 'streaks' before it even got back around to one player's next iteration, so it's effectively buried, and the stats will show overall equal distributions for all numbers. Thus I used the word CYCLICAL to indicate a much more stable fluctuation, similar to what you would get with a variable bias.
I particularly remember in older Civilization games there was an option to reseed the RNG when you reloaded the game, giving the player a small cheat to avoid getting the exact same result in a combat no matter how many times you tried to redo it.
Maybe I'm just superstitious At any rate we have no way to access the raw data necessary to really analyze the system, so its moot.
And for my playstyle, even the heroes usually only up the daily income by about 1200 AD apiece per day, meaning that it will take them between 250 and 300 days to pay for themselves. Sure, you can theoretically get more but I'm not gonna set my whole schedule around the job cycles. This is after all a GAME not a job. :P
The gateway is still rather buggy, so better report it. They are fixing small problems there every week. I always log in because I get it done much faster in game, so I wouldn't seen this problem.
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No, I have one toon using green weap/arm for 6 jobs, and have never gotten more than extra gold.
That does not answer the question if the very large chest of goods come in different tiers. A higher tier chest could have an increased chanse of dropping better goods. I doubt it would be possible draw a certain conclution based on experience on that. To much is left to chance.
Rise to POWER with <House of Power>.
The Exterminator - (NW-DLNXF3BGG)
I have never seen a chest upgrade. I don't often run jobs for the purple chests because they just don't drop very well, but I have not noticed tiering when I do. The most reliable container is the green barrel of goods. I can't recall ever getting a dragon egg from a leadership chest.
It does absolutely nothing atm. Don't have an armor, but highly doubt it's any different.
They are basically quality assets, but the devs never implemented rank 2 or 3 results on any leadership tasks, thus atm they do nothing. If they devs ever add that, then they may do something. For now, they are worth no more than the worn versions.
-Epic Dread Vault Crushed.
Characters (Dragon): Axer (60 Guardian, Leader of Crush It!), Controller (60 Wizard), Warlocker (60 Warlock)
Yes, you wouldn't notice it when it is not visible. That is why I'm asking if it is possible. Obviously you don't know the answer, cause every time you quote me, you fail in giving a relevant answer.
Rise to POWER with <House of Power>.
The Exterminator - (NW-DLNXF3BGG)
I only know what I see. Maybe the devs know better than me. I can only tell you that I have never seen a drop from a leadership chest that was not on its stated list of possibles. Sorry man, best I can do.