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pando83
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Ok, so, Yesterday i was queuing for CTA, and reading the LFG chat i saw that people is already starting to form full CWs parties to clear the skirmish faster.
It's getting more and more frequent to see CWs being stacked in PvE parties. Reason: right now, the way the class is, and the way dungeons are, make this the best choice.
Possible fixes:
- As someone said, put cc-resistant groups of mobs in each dungeon, and each with a different cc resistance
- Simply, make it so that a party with 1 of each class gets a considerable buff, making it the best choice, and when a party stacks 3 or more of the same class, this class gets a malus in damage.
This way, a 5 class party would be the best, and when you gradually start to stack/ are forced to stack the same class multiple times, that class becomes less effective.
Must be noticeable.
Any other idea to fix this issue? It's getting ridiculous.
It's getting more and more frequent to see CWs being stacked in PvE parties. Reason: right now, the way the class is, and the way dungeons are, make this the best choice.
Possible fixes:
- As someone said, put cc-resistant groups of mobs in each dungeon, and each with a different cc resistance
- Simply, make it so that a party with 1 of each class gets a considerable buff, making it the best choice, and when a party stacks 3 or more of the same class, this class gets a malus in damage.
This way, a 5 class party would be the best, and when you gradually start to stack/ are forced to stack the same class multiple times, that class becomes less effective.
Must be noticeable.
Any other idea to fix this issue? It's getting ridiculous.
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Don't worry once HV nerf goes through we'll be back to 3cw 1tr 1dc groups.
I was in a 4TR 1 GWF group and cleared skirmish just as fast, but only because the skirmish is a skirmish, ie a joke pve content.
To my knowledge, every T2 dungeon has this. Heck most of the T1 dungeons have it too.
I guess that a redesign of dungoens and skirmishes may be more needed than a nerf, or a buff system like the one i mentioned.
People complains that dungeons are too hard at epic level (i've read this somewhere). Giving a buff for 5 class parties would help solve 2 problems with just 1 change, and no nerf. And giving a "malus" to a class damage when it's stacked in a party, would give a noticeable advantage of a 5 class formation over any other formation.
Sure thing is, a solution has to be found.
Until they get their creative juices flowing to go beyond let's-just-throw-more-mobs-in-there, get used to lots of CWs in party.
Join Essence of Aggression: PVP-ing Hard Since Beta!
Cleaning first area very quickly singularties + mass AoEs, open the gate, while we killd the imps quickly the TR ran throug Area 2 and pulled em all trough the gate.
Since Astral Shield only is way more than enough to heal, even a DC can swap to a DPSlike. Specially Searing Light kicks *** through singularity...
Dont know how fast a 5CW-HV Team is, but there are a few faster ways...
I also think, with a HV-Set fix/nerf it will become a bit more balanced again...
But a buff/malus to parties should work nicely I guess - the thing about that is "how", you have to keep in mind, its not only dungeons - also normal PvE content (and maybe PvP also).
On the other side, we rolled in a guild team with 2GF, 2DC and a TR through a couple dungeons, foundry and als rocked in PvP.
Its maybe not that fast, compared to others by missing high DPS, but on the other side theres never been a chance of wipe - even in PvP we had a very low number of total deaths..
Kaylee Krankenwagen, level 60 GF | Tavandruil Wayfinder, level 49 GWF | Aldith Langley, level 51 HR
Dev's fix this:http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?501361-Dev-s-it-s-time-to-fix-the-PVP-game-breaking-trickster-rogue-deft-strike-amp-dazing
Going to look for more game breaking animation cancelling on the preview shard to report later for non CW classes.
I find the CW the only healthy class, so please, instead of destroying what is fine, fix what is not, and balance the dungeons accordingly.
This is definitely true and something most these whiner forget, the control wizard parties are not running the content at 9.2k as a full control wizard group. They are well above the gear score for the content so of course the content should get easier. If you are running spell plague with a diverse group under 10k you will find that such groups run into a lot of trouble and sometime do not finish the content. Now if you are well above the gear score for the content it makes sense that stacks of control wizards would make the content easier.
This 5 control wizard thing is a non issue for the exception of the HV set. They are well above the content required gear score, stack the class best equipped to handle adds and these whiners find this a problem? Why not instead ask for a hardcore version of CN and MC where the required gear score is much higher and the monsters hit like trucks!?
And even if they did run it at 9.2k they would be stacking a class that specializes in a certain area thus using the class as intended. Plus without being skilled at 9.2k such a group would run into a lot of trouble.
I was a CW on a 3TR, 2CW Fardelver run a few days ago (we reran it a few times). It was certainly quick. I'd rather have had a DC in there somewhere tho
Kaylee Krankenwagen, level 60 GF | Tavandruil Wayfinder, level 49 GWF | Aldith Langley, level 51 HR
This might even get worse when more classes are introduced. Then you have the DCs and the CWs as core team members, the GF often is skipped anyway already and then you might have several classes that "just" do damage, TR, GWF maybe the Ranger and a Warlock.
For example: Why do you want a GWF that is good in dealing damage to more than one mob when the CW can do this as well AND control the adds on top of it, too? If the CW would basically be the controller then it would be ok, but he is a controller AND a very good DPS. So running with CWs doesn't drop the DPS a lot, you won't be slower with such a team. In comparison. Try to run a dungeon with 4 DCs.
So to balance classes out they might consider reducing the damage of the CW. In EQ2 I was playing an Illusionist, that was a controller mage as well. But he was not the major damage dealer, that was not his role. For that you needed the Wizard (high single target damage) or the Warlock (high area/multi target damage). So to make other classes more useful in groups the CW should focus on being a controller while a new introduced Warlock then should be the multi target DPS.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.