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Does Bronzewood go into negative DR in PVE?

alignmentsalignments Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited September 2013 in The Militia Barracks
If my GF is at 24% with his Dex and ArPen Gear, will a Bronzewood be useless in PVE? Im having alot of trouble getting info on this and I honestly wouldnt know how to properly test other to buy one outright and bang away on a dummy on the preview shard. Anyone have any insight on this? Thanks in advance for anyone who tested this already.
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  • ladysylvialadysylvia Member Posts: 946 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    alignments wrote: »
    If my GF is at 24% with his Dex and ArPen Gear, will a Bronzewood be useless in PVE? Im having alot of trouble getting info on this and I honestly wouldnt know how to properly test other to buy one outright and bang away on a dummy on the preview shard. Anyone have any insight on this? Thanks in advance for anyone who tested this already.

    Every Defense reduction are calculated after your ArPen. Mark give additional damage for example.
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    Armor PEN Does not go below 0!

    TESTED On LIVE with a Perfect Bronzewood it is an ARP enchant. So this means you gain (0%) bonus if you are ArP capped. It is a good enchant for players that lack ArP and worthless if you are already ArP capped.
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    TESTED On LIVE with a Perfect Bronzewood it is an ARP enchant. So this means you gain (0%) bonus if you are ArP capped. It is a good enchant for players that lack ArP and worthless if you are already ArP capped.

    This is not true. Certainly not for the ordinary Bronzewood or Greater Bronzewood enchant. Unless you mean to suggest anyone is not ArP capped against a Trade of Blades training dummy...
  • pandapaulpandapaul Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 424 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    I'm running a perfect bronzewood ATM... I have a mitigation of 19% without it...
    I used to have a prefect vorpal.. Through a dungeon with the bronzewood my dps is higher than with the vorpal.. And I was running 140% crit severity with 38% crit...
    Idk the exact calculations but anyone running a prefect bronzewood knows its dps is probably the highest of any weapon enchants ATM
  • sirjestosirjesto Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 176 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    I just tested Perfect Terror and Perfect Brozewood against a Formorian Warrior. I have a capped ArPen. The Terror did approx. 10% more damage overall and the Bronzewood 16% (when enemy marked). So it looks like Bronzewood does indeed work in addition to a capped ArPen.
  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    pandapaul wrote: »
    I'm running a perfect bronzewood ATM... I have a mitigation of 19% without it...
    I used to have a prefect vorpal.. Through a dungeon with the bronzewood my dps is higher than with the vorpal.. And I was running 140% crit severity with 38% crit...
    Idk the exact calculations but anyone running a prefect bronzewood knows its dps is probably the highest of any weapon enchants ATM
    I've definitely seen an increase in DPS with it personally over my Perfect Lightning. Ran both on Ancient Castle Champion Greatswords and swapped them in and out running the same instance multiple times.

    I know it says 16% Arm Reduction, but I believe it works like Student of the Swords/GPF Defense debuff, it increases Damage if ArmPen is already exceeded.
    sirjesto wrote: »
    I just tested Perfect Terror and Perfect Brozewood against a Formorian Warrior. I have a capped ArPen. The Terror did approx. 10% more damage overall and the Bronzewood 16% (when enemy marked). So it looks like Bronzewood does indeed work in addition to a capped ArPen.
    Good deal. :)
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  • pandapaulpandapaul Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 424 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    sirjesto wrote: »
    I just tested Perfect Terror and Perfect Brozewood against a Formorian Warrior. I have a capped ArPen. The Terror did approx. 10% more damage overall and the Bronzewood 16% (when enemy marked). So it looks like Bronzewood does indeed work in addition to a capped ArPen.

    The question is now... When I started using perfect bronzewood I reduced my armor pen to around 18% from the cap I was at previously... Through stacking more recovery and unslotting dark enchants. Would it be worth stacking more armor pen again if it indeed does work in this way? I'm attempting to go full dps GWF.. So all the spare slots I have been stacking as much power as possible.. Sitting around 6850 ATM.. Would it be worth dropping 1 slot for the dark.. Would bring the mitigation around 20%
  • alignmentsalignments Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Thanks for all the great replies! <3
  • xxxerexxxxxxerexxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I was watching dmg with ACT it's reporting 108% with a standard bronzewood for my at will and encounters when the mark is active. I have 22.9% arp without camp fire. This was done on mobs in sharandar. I'm saving up for a perfect now as it's a hell of alot cheaper than a vorpal.
  • sirjestosirjesto Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 176 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    pandapaul wrote: »
    The question is now... When I started using perfect bronzewood I reduced my armor pen to around 18% from the cap I was at previously... Through stacking more recovery and unslotting dark enchants. Would it be worth stacking more armor pen again if it indeed does work in this way? I'm attempting to go full dps GWF.. So all the spare slots I have been stacking as much power as possible.. Sitting around 6850 ATM.. Would it be worth dropping 1 slot for the dark.. Would bring the mitigation around 20%

    One of the main reasons I did this test was to see if i indeed could free up slots by using it. Now that it turns out to be a damage buff at full ArPen I will likely be leaving it as is. (24%)

    Also, I believe it's always better to stack ArPen to the cap as it is basically a straight damage buff.
  • grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    how long does this mark last for?
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  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    grimah wrote: »
    how long does this mark last for?
    10 Seconds, and it doesn't fall off when you get hit by that add/mob. Pretty darn snazzy honestly!
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  • sirjestosirjesto Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 176 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    So really I guess in a long boss fight when you're 10 seconds up and 10 seconds down It would be nice to have a Terror or Plague in the group as well.
  • frariifrarii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I was the first player who started playing perfect bronze... and i told everybody that the enchant is the BiS for GF since day 1... Bronzewood is sick, period.
  • wixxgs1chtwixxgs1cht Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Does Bronzewood's dmg buff trigger only on Bronzewood's mark or also on all other marks?

    Frarii: Please check your PM :-)
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    wixxgs1cht wrote: »
    Does Bronzewood's dmg buff trigger only on Bronzewood's mark or also on all other marks?

    There is no relationship between GF Marks and Bronzewood's. Mark in the enchant's sense is just a shorter word for "debuff".
  • wixxgs1chtwixxgs1cht Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    There is no relationship between GF Marks and Bronzewood's. Mark in the enchant's sense is just a shorter word for "debuff".

    I see, thanks for the clarification! Would have been way OP otherwise.
  • slushpsychoslushpsycho Member Posts: 657 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    Armor PEN Does not go below 0!

    TESTED On LIVE with a Perfect Bronzewood it is an ARP enchant. So this means you gain (0%) bonus if you are ArP capped. It is a good enchant for players that lack ArP and worthless if you are already ArP capped.

    And your even have a guide for GF now I understand why people say this forum is full of ****...
  • cael13cael13 Member Posts: 78
    edited September 2013
    frarii wrote: »
    I was the first player who started playing perfect bronze... and i told everybody that the enchant is the BiS for GF since day 1... Bronzewood is sick, period.

    LOL I love it when ppl think they are "the first" to do something :P But yes Bronzewood was made for GF!
  • ladysylvialadysylvia Member Posts: 946 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    cael13 wrote: »
    LOL I love it when ppl think they are "the first" to do something :P But yes Bronzewood was made for GF!

    Why should it be? All other classes can use it too. It's more the BiS for CW, because of their AoEs.
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I was in a match against a GWF and when I was "marked" it SEEMED like there was some graphic effect that kept "hitting me" coming from his character to mine. I dont know if he was using briar and it was a damage reflect off one of my DoTs but I was curious if the Bronzewood mark acts in this way?

    It showed me taking damage of either 1 or 0 I honestly cant remember.

    The main reason I ask is, is this something that can proc tene enchants? Or is the "mark" a one time activation debuff therefore it wont help tene enchants.

    Right now GPF (eventhough bugged) Is BiS for Tene users because of that DoT.
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    ayroux wrote: »
    I was in a match against a GWF and when I was "marked" it SEEMED like there was some graphic effect that kept "hitting me" coming from his character to mine. I dont know if he was using briar and it was a damage reflect off one of my DoTs but I was curious if the Bronzewood mark acts in this way?

    It showed me taking damage of either 1 or 0 I honestly cant remember.

    The main reason I ask is, is this something that can proc tene enchants? Or is the "mark" a one time activation debuff therefore it wont help tene enchants.

    Right now GPF (eventhough bugged) Is BiS for Tene users because of that DoT.

    It's just the "green leaves" graphics animation from Bronzewood. It happens even without procing the debuff. I love the look of it, personally! :)

    And no, it cannot proc Tenes since the mark is just a one-off debuff with no DoT, stacking or additional hits.
  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    It's just the "green leaves" graphics animation from Bronzewood. It happens even without procing the debuff. I love the look of it, personally! :)
    This seems applicable here... ;)

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