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gwfs, are we all in agreement about slam?
rotatorkuf
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at level 60, this daily is now COMPLETELY worthless
use for aggro? by the time the mobs are aggrod to you they're dead
use in pvp? just dash/port out of it or laugh at the 130-200 dmg ticks from it
talk about an OVER nerf, just sayin...
use for aggro? by the time the mobs are aggrod to you they're dead
use in pvp? just dash/port out of it or laugh at the 130-200 dmg ticks from it
talk about an OVER nerf, just sayin...
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The devs said these changes should help the GWF in pve and what we got last patch
*nerfed our best daily to a point of it being useless
*major nerf to deflect
*even bigger nerf to unstoppable
*momunmental nerf to AP gain.. Making the class gain AP around only 30% of the rate of other classes
*dps nerf
And they said they were helping GWfs lol
Now that's its obvious they wrecked the class...
They refuse to respond to the feedback
Bunch of clowns
I said before the game was more balanced than it has ever been. Them trying to do that has completely wrecked so many things.
It's just easier to use Slam for the big circle of So-so AoE damage and not have to nag the CW or DC not to use their knock back abilities while picking up all the adds.
this is pretty much true, for your 2nd daily, if you're going AOE, you can choose anyone you want i guess, even though i rarely use it, i'm usually using Spinning Strike for pve, i almost never use an aoe daily in pvp
spinning strike in pvp? lawls@ ur cc immune, just punt you out of range
avalanche in pvp? they can just time it so they dodge/port/roll out of it or dodge/immune to it
wtb response from devs for the love of all that is good?
Slam
Good:
- Allows you to keep attacking with your normal rotation, keeping SotS and weapon debuffs up on everything, while maintaining Destroyer/Weapon Master on yourself.
- Can pop Unstoppable at any time.
- Some utility.
Bad:
- Lame damage that can't crit and can't proc anything.
- Appears to have a target cap, at least damage-wise. Not sure if the slow/reduced attack debuffs have a cap limit, but I'm assuming they do.
- Slam's damage by itself doesn't build Determination, if you have Destroyer's Purpose.
Spinning Strike
Good:
- Deals 6 attacks in 4 seconds, which can crit and proc Steel Blitz. If you get lucky, you can see some very pretty numbers on the screen. I'd argue that, with no "reduced damage for more targets" <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, it can be better than Slam + Unstoppable + at-will spam for damage in some situations.
- Builds Determination if you have Destroyer's Purpose. Makes for good synergy with Unstoppable. You are guaranteed to successfully cast it right as Unstoppable ends and if you hit 5 mobs consistently, by the time Spinning Strike is done you can be Unstoppable again immediately.
- Fast attack and guaranteed deflection may make it synergize greatly with Elven Ferocity (chance to deal additional damage when hitting enemies) and Fey Thistle (deal damage whenever you deflect).
Bad:
- Daily attacks don't count as debuffing moves. SotS and some weapon enchant debuffs will expire by the time it's done.
- Feature buffs are wiped - if you use Destroyer/Weapon Master, the stacks disappear the moment cast is done. According to an old thread, this also applies to the 4 pc set bonus of Vigilant Warlord.
- Some mobs have moves that can interrupt your supposedly "cc immune" Spinning Strike.
- Also has a 5 target cap.
Avalanche of Steel
Good:
- No target cap. Can hit 5 targets, can hit 50. The more targets there are on the screen, the better it becomes and the higher chance of Steel Blitz. The best way to see its potential is to go to the 'AoE test pit' foundry with full AP meter and use it straight away, aiming to land in the middle of the pit. You'll die almost instantly, but you'll have a jaw-dropping time viewing pages upon pages of damage dealt and Blitz Procs.
- Immune to damage for 3 seconds while in the air. If that lets you build Instigator capstone stacks, all the better, you'll strike the mobs with 50% additional Power.
- Damage builds Determination with Destroyer's Purpose. I've had a case where I've gone from 0% to 100% instantly, impossible to do with other dailies, I don't think.
- Good synergy with Steel Defense - activates after you land, making the total count of seconds of damage immunity even greater. Why you'd have that feature slotted when wanting to deal damage is another topic, of course.
- Some utility with the prone.
Bad:
- Gone "in the air" for too long. All stacks on you and all debuffs on mobs created by you will expire by the time you land.
In my opinion, it may be good to have all dailies maxed and swap them according to the situation:
- 5-ish mobs with average health? Spinning Strike for max burst damage to take them down fast. Stacks and debuffs don't really count when mobs are dead anyway.
- 5-ish mobs with tons of health? Slam to keep debuffs up for party to wear them down.
- A TON of mobs? Avalanche of Steel to deal insane damage, even if spread out across many targets.
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
cryptic hates GWF
It's far from perfect, but it is useful.
At least crescendo offers me a ~1.5 second stun + ~1.5 second prone and some damage (lol usually like 7k on a crit) but again I'm not build for damage. Oh and being CC immune during the animation can be nice, cause if there are 3 I get constantly CC'd while trying to finish one off.
Edit: I believe the damage reduction is working Kolat, at least in PvP I notice that I can take a lot more of a beating while it's active, don't know if it's exactly 15% or anything though.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.