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Possible another big action point gain nerf on its way???
pandapaul
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 424 Bounty Hunter
So I was just thinking today.. As some people will be aware the balance patch 2 weeks contained a variety of balance changes.. Some mentioned.. Some not
For those of you that don't know GWF had its action point gain nerfed on every aoe encounter.. Instead of getting additional action points from hitting multiple targets.. You only get the action points from hitting a single target.. Even though the tooltips still say otherwise.. Now it takes a GWF around 70-100 seconds of pure dps to fill its action points... Where as another class maybe be able to do this 2-3+ times in the same time frame.. At the moment this is having a huge impact on the class..
Now there are have been multiple threads about this.. And not a single response by a dev.. Whether this change was intended or not... Given that skills like roar or daring shout still say you get action points for every target hit.. Well right now you don't..
So given the devs refuse to reply or give any feedback on this.. I had the idea.. Maybe they are using GWF as a test to see the reaction to a major nerf like this.. 2 weeks no replies.. No fixes.. No response.. And it feels like maybe there could be an agenda here...
So the question is.. Soon will the rest of the class follow suit with a major action point gain nerf or will the devs finally give some sort of a response.. Even though the time to do that at this point has been unacceptable!
For those of you that don't know GWF had its action point gain nerfed on every aoe encounter.. Instead of getting additional action points from hitting multiple targets.. You only get the action points from hitting a single target.. Even though the tooltips still say otherwise.. Now it takes a GWF around 70-100 seconds of pure dps to fill its action points... Where as another class maybe be able to do this 2-3+ times in the same time frame.. At the moment this is having a huge impact on the class..
Now there are have been multiple threads about this.. And not a single response by a dev.. Whether this change was intended or not... Given that skills like roar or daring shout still say you get action points for every target hit.. Well right now you don't..
So given the devs refuse to reply or give any feedback on this.. I had the idea.. Maybe they are using GWF as a test to see the reaction to a major nerf like this.. 2 weeks no replies.. No fixes.. No response.. And it feels like maybe there could be an agenda here...
So the question is.. Soon will the rest of the class follow suit with a major action point gain nerf or will the devs finally give some sort of a response.. Even though the time to do that at this point has been unacceptable!
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From what I figure, they are using this summer festival event as some lee-way until the next balance patch they do, which will be at its end.
And it could either make this sweeping change to all classes, or to revert these changes. As well as any other things they may implement.
Not like GWF.. GWF received it to EVERY skill.. a full encounter rotation.. No matter what it is.. Now provides around 15-18% of your AP meter
It is every skill
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
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Those are singular cases, Where a very higher number of skills affected is from GWF. And doesnt match the other classes you mention.
yes cw got a decrease in thier shield, but they also STILL get substantial AP gain from their other aoe skills such as Mastery: Repel, GF and front line surge.
Every encounter skill that used to give AP gain per target has been reduced to the same as if hitting one target now for GWF.
Other classes didn't have it in every skill to begin with.
Exactly. The GWF is currently in the same state than other classes in term of AP Gain, except if they have 0 Recovery (hello full regen sents).
But well why would GWF whine about it ? They have a free daily by pushing Tab.
Unstoppable is better than many dailies.
- DRAGON - ( Mehrea DC 13.1k ) - ( Volsung TR 11.7k )
also its just another nerf to our dead GWF class
I kind of doubt that there'll be a major balancing patch after the Festival; it'd make sense for them to hold it off until they introduce the new class, as that'll require changes to all other classes as well. Somehow I don't see them introducing it so soon, even though I'd certainly like to play it sooner rather than later.
Would you want or expect a 5-minute gap between how often a Cleric can pop Divine Armor or Hallowed Ground? There goes your survival, large pulls and I hope you like buying lots and lots of pots...
Would you want or expect a 5-minute gap between how often a CW can use Arcane Singularity? There goes your melee aoe dps, control, ledging and speed runs...
GFs: use their dailies as strong part of their threat (Villain's Menace and Supremacy of Steel). You want that on 5-minute cooldowns?
TRs: already by far the slowest class to gain AP. You want them to have an even slower AP gain? Admittedly, at least one of their dailies is broken (Shocking Execution seems to be undodgeable now by all classes except GF), but that has nothing to do with AP.
GWF: no idea - don't have one. But I would have expected they, like TR's, should be screaming from the rooftops for their almost game-breaking tab slot unusable bug to be fixed rather than calling or expecting even more AP changes...
Finally, it is not "class balance" if you are expecting AP nerfs across all the classes. That's called something else, maybe a "class redesign".
Both Roar and Daring shout both say in its tooltip that you gain AP in accordance to how many targets you hit with it ( although these skills are capped at 5)
And right now.. the last 2 weeks.. this doesn't happen. These two skills are used to charge AP.... daring shout doesn't even offer any damage as an encounter... so its use was to charge AP.... and now.. you gain almost nothing from both of these skills
So the point is.. the AP gain is not what the skills tooltip says it is.. there was no notification of this change in any patch.. there was no update to tooltips.... there has been no response and feedback from devs
You can see the point right?
Fine. So, this entire thread is just a dressed up bug report about two specific skills?
I don't know whether you realise, but on top of major AP nerfs like all classes, Clerics have almost every single one of their spells bugged to not benefit from Armor Penetration, despite their Feywild set (their only set with ArP) having a ton of it. In addition, many of their spells do not crit, including their dailies. They have also lost multiple major sources of their healing due to an undocumented change to their most powerful heal (Forgemaster's Flame, a HoT) plus a major broken feat related to critting (so, a double whammy due to the crit bug).
On top of that, their already pitiful daily that hits in three dodgeable parts was completely and unexpectedly nerfed so hard that not only can many other classes Encounters hit harder than it can, but even their own spells could (if they could crit and if they could benefit from ArP, lol!). Basically, eliminating its use in PvE.
Yet, you don't see Clerics going around creating whole threads speculating on further changes across the board for all classes relating to Armor Penetration or Crit or HoTs or Dailies or whatever, even though, at this point imo, Cleric is a broken class...
So, come on GWFs, complain about the things that matter (like your painful tab slot/Unstoppable bug). For everything else, do it the right way everyone else has to, i.e. the Bug Reports section or your class forums.
And no patch note say anything, and no dev say anything?
So, you mean like Plague Fire? Or Chill Stacks not working on bosses, a major source of damage for CWs since most are Thaum. Or countless other things...
Every class has had something broken since Feywild with no patch notes or documentation. Some have been hit far harder than others, e.g. Clerics, but everyone has. It was a bad patch in terms of basic combat gameplay.
But this is not the way to complain by bumping completely speculative thread about potential future changes based around broken things, lol!
Which is why I feel like they are not sharing the whole story